ADCs and NDEs: Their Evidential Value for Apologetics


#18

I like that. :slightly_smiling_face:


#19

What religion would that be?


#20

:thinking:


#21

Jesus doesn’t give that answer. The apparent implication is that the right religion depends on how it affects your way of being and your mystical connection with God–and that can vary form person to person.


#22

That is a bucket o’ worms, though, isn’t it? We have to define ‘religion’ ‘relationship’ and even ‘God’.
Asking Jesus what the right religion is, is an odd question - we know who He is, and his relationship as son to the Father and all that glorious outworking and meaning - for Jesus to say in effect ‘find your way’ when he himself said ‘I am the way’ - you see the incoherence?


#23

Well, I would say first of all that many Christians are somewhat skewed in their belief that the only way to God (YWHY) is through Christ. That is a scriptural premise that is historical to a given group of folks at a given time.

So as to your ‘I am the way’ you are and most evangelicals are correct in that that is what Christ said to those folks at that time. And meant it! I’m not sure where the idea of:

Not sure where this comes from maybe you can help me out.

Look forward to your response. :smile:


#24

Oh you already know what my response is - I was totally trolling to see who would take the bait.

That’s where it came from.
Do we not know who Christ is?
“15For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your lovef toward all the saints, 16I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.”

Now you can say that those verses are all so provincial, all so ‘just for them’ but see what they SAY for God’s sake. I will never be convinced that Jesus can be written off as ‘just for the Jews at that time’.


#25

Jesus’ answer in Howard Storm’s NDE is consistent with NT teaching. See my 2 threads in the pro-Universalism section of this site. btw, Storm’s encounter with Jesus inspired him to become a UCC pastor.


#26

We will have to disagree on that. The spirits must be tested - against something!


#27

This needs to be in a different thread that NDE’s, but it just kind of happened.


#28

DaveB: “We will have to disagree on that. The spirits must be tested - against something!”
You don’t think my Scripture-based threads in the pro-universalism section provide just such a test?


#29

Interesting, yes; convincing, no.
BTW I never welcomed you to the forum - I do now, and I’m glad to see your comments and ideas!


#30

Here’s an article today, I received in my email from Guideposts. I’ll share it here for reflection:


#31

5 Lessons, Great article Randy. Thanks, people on this forum may want to start to realize these ides.

:thinking:


#32

(5) Lesson 5 from the Guideposts article posted by Holy Fool refers to Bruce Van Natta’s NDE. I recently haard him speak and asked him questions afterwards. His testimony is all over the internet in various lengths, but here is a succinct short version:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bruce+van+natta+youtube&view=detail&mid=D662536755F1BAD45AD1D662536755F1BAD45AD1&FORM=VIRE

His abdominal area was crushed by a truck to within 1 inch on one side. Angels helped him survive the loss of almost all his intestines. Doctors couldn’t believe he was still alive. No one had ever survived the severing of 5 arteries and he should have bled to death. Then Bruce Carlson, a man Bruce Van Natta had met only once, felt called by God to fly from NY to Wisconsin to pray for Bruce. The result? An astounding healing miracle in which new intestines were created so Bruce could avoid starvation, digest food, and become a healthy fit witness to the power of the Holy Spirit to heal and guide.


#33

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (Jn.14:6)

John 10:9
I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture.

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)



#34

Origen,

Yo need to read my thread on Jesus’ universalist teaching. Jesus can be “the Way” without everyone realizing this or knowing how it applies to them.


#35

Donald,

I assume you are referring to Inclusivism:

Which many Christians adhere to.

Some of your recent posts remind me of a very interesting & excellent poster from Christianforums.com.

I also noticed that on your summary page it says that you were invited by Alex Smith.


#36

For a rebuttal to the Got Questions presentation, see Inclusivism (1,2,3);


#37

(6) Our small city’s former school superintendent shared with me this ADC involving in niece Tami… Tami died at age 19 from an unspecified illness while a student at Washington State U. Then she often appeared in full-bodied ADCs to her Mom until one day she appeared only from the waist up and lamented, “I’m sorry Mom. I’m about to progress beyond the range in which I can communicate with you in this way. So this is the last time I will appear to you.” That Christmas a family reunion, including Tami’s Mom, gathered at this superintendent’s local home. His wife asked him to drive to a local mini-mart to buy some eggs and milk. His change included a dollar bill and some coins.

He was astounded by what he saw on the dollar bill. Written on it by a black marker was a smiley face signed, “Tami!” The far more common spelling of this name is “Tammy.” This miracle greatly inspired the faith of this Christian family and assured them that Tami was alive and was just dramatically saying “Goodbye” with this paranormal Christmas present.