The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Brief history of universlaism in the C of E

Thinking ahead Dave - yes I’d post an historical source, a document (perhaps dealing with a broadly religious issue). And then I’d ask however was game to go awash and consider it using the questions of internal coerce criticism that I’ve posted here at Articles (I’d post a genuine source so the questions of external verification would not be relevant and would be impossible to do in discussion anyway). And then we could all get back and discuss our conclusions together question by question, answer by answer - and I’d facilitate as the person ‘one step ahead’ at the current time at least. If this works OK we could do a couple more sources of other/different types of texts. And then perhaps we could look at a couple contemporary source from a new sites (one with a left wing or liberal bias, another with a right wing or a libertarian bias?) and ask the same questions of this information (well we don’t have the benefit of hindsight, but most of the questions will also be relevant to sift contemporary evidence I think) :sunglasses: And we could polish it all off with a flagon of ale :smiley: and a discussion about critical realism - because participants should and I hope would have begun to grasp this in a sense that is not too abstract. How does that sound?

The source criticism project sounds interesting. :slight_smile:

Btw, I’m currently watching (off and on) one of the main film competitors to Intol, Civilization, where a scientist for pseudo-Russia has invented submarines (actually used by Russia in WW1 though no one knows much about them anymore) and gets drawn into pseudo-WW1 to be captain of one of his subs, then gets killed by a crew in a mutiny when he refuses to fire on a civilian ship, then goes to heaven and meets Jesus Christ, then COMES BACK FROM THE DEAD POSSESSED BY JESUS CHRIST!! Um, spoiler.

(I own a lot of silent films, generally of the military or sci-fi/fantasy sort.)

Back to the Doctor: yes, a lot of the Who crew worked on Blue Peter, too. Typing that sentence tickled me more than it ought to… :laughing:

Peter played the second male companion on the series, Steven Taylor (and a hillbilly tourist to New York in the same story where his companion character was introduced… :open_mouth: it was a comedy Dalek story.) By the time of the Massacre, he is the last companion remaining, and has just witnessed no less than two other companions being killed off in the mostly non-comic epic Dalek Masterplan story (intended to be their final appearance, but that didn’t hold. :wink: ) He has a much happier ending four stories later.

Oh CRAP - I just read this headline re: Doctor Who:

“Doctor Who became infected with Ebola while working in Liberia”!! How did that happen? What do we tell his fans???

Selective editing from: doctor who became infected with Ebola while working in Liberia is sick, but in stable condition at the Nebraska Medical Center, officials said … :laughing:

If I was somewhat geekier, I’m sure I could come up with a reason why the Doctor would recover from or be immune to Ebola. :slight_smile:

(I’m right this moment watching ep 3 of the 2nd Doctor story “The Macra Terror” (Story 34). About giant lobsters, not Ebola.)

Jason have you thought of going on Mastermind I’m sure they would be happy for you to list Dr Who and the Blue Peter connection as your specialist subject. Of such connections is history composed! Have you heard of Mastermind? You seem to be well versed in UK TV series? Being a poor relation from the other side of the world I am only fed selective bits and pieces on the whim of ABC (the A stands of Australian not American in this case naturally). Poor me :cry:

Sadly, no – and my Whovian trivia is very moderate: it only seems extensive because a little bit of a whole lot can still be a lot. :slight_smile:

Hi All –

Long time no see :smiley: Well Jason I have now watched all six of the Dr Who Massacre story set. At first it seemed weird with just the soundtrack and promotional stills (because the film has been shredded by the nefarious BBC archives department) – but once i got used to that I really enjoyed it. Och I can see why it frightened me as a kid (along with Adam Adamant for example) – and why Fireball XL5 and Thunderbirds were more my cup of tea :smiley: (Fireball XL5 also had a great theme song and the avant-garde Dr Who music – both the theme tune and the rather abstract jazzy percussive stuff that comprises the soundtrack here and other abstract jazz in later episodes and series before its reinvention – used to puzzle me). And I can see why I didn’t fully understand it – but as a middle age geezer I enjoyed it very much.

Funnily enough the Dr Who story is based largely on what we already know about the Massacre and it’s causes -

I haven’t’ looked up the alchemist/ apothecary who the Doctor has come to see but I am sure he actually existed too. Fill me in please all you Whovians :smiley:

I was rather taken by the little Huguenot waif Anne Chaplet – because she certainly looks like a fashionable 1960s waif model rather than a girl out of the sixteenth century (and surely the Dr’s top hat was anachronistic and would have raised eyebrows). It was a nice detail with the girl running into the tardis named ‘Dodo Chaplet’ who is a descendant of Anne so reassures Master Peter of Purvis that she has survived. But ‘Dodo’ – as in ‘dead as a Dodo’ – was perhaps a less reassuring choice of name for an English audience; even if it is an actual girls name in French:-D
And I always empathise with the Time Lord’s weariness at his after – he can visit the past but cannot change it (a bit like us mortals in our book of memory)

The opening scene in the tavern with Huguenots drinking a toast rings true. Huguenots were Calvinists and despite later Puritan objections to alcohol everyone drank it in those times. Clean water was hard to come by. Even in Geneva the taverns were thriving. Calvin tired to introduce godly tavern in which moral improving songs were sung rather than bawdy catches – but I’m not sure even he succeeded.

I understand that after the massacre many Huguenots fled to England. For three years I once lived in the country town of Bishops Stortford in Hertfordshire where a community of them had fled and ‘Hughes’ is a common name locally. And I haven’t forgotten about London’s foreigner Churches which I will post on this week 

Nifty! – yes, I gather the writers wanted to do real justice to the Massacre, since DW hadn’t really followed its original purview well of being an educational history show; or maybe, when the topic was broached, they agreed that treating it like the way they treated the BURNING OF FREAKING ROME in “The Romans” comedy story would be a mistake they didn’t want to repeat. :wink:

Here for comparison is the official BBC page on the story.