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#84

Since God is Omniscient, knows ahead our choices and He also predestined prophesy, but also gives free will, the idea of election and vessels seems complicated.

God is Omniscient and Omnipresent
Its actually simple not complicated.
He knows my choices before I make them, but they are still choices made by free will, which we would make or have made regardless.

In other words if I make a choice of free will today, it’s my choice of free will. Whether or not God knew 1st, or didn’t know my choices 1st is irrelevant to my free will.

God pre-knowing my choices before my choices were made, doesn’t change the free will that God gave to us. Although it may change how God uses that choice.

God alters consequence for
1 - His own will and purpose and prophesy. “He works all things for good” 2 - He alters consequences at times for us because of His kindness toward us. But even those interjections of God in time where also foreknown by God.

Romans 8
“28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.”

He chose the exact time to come, at the right time, according to His will, to bring forth His prohesies, working all things together so God did it.

He predestined Judas’ betrayal. Not because God made Judas’ choice for him, but because he knew already that Judas would be offered 30 pieces of silver and he would choose and agree to betray Jesus. So God chose him to be predestined the Son of perdition.

So then God predestined Judas and his choices to occur in order to fulfill prophesy, occuring in the day and hour required according to His prophesy. Same with Pharoah. And other events like the killing of the babies when both Moses and Jesus were born. Weeping in Israel for her sons were no more" (paraphrased)

Prophesy is God’s response at the appropriate time and to every choice ever made and to every consequence that ever unfolded, past, present and future, and for His purpose to reveal the “anxiously awaited sons of God”
Romans 8
"anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. "

Romans 8
26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."

He already had complete foreknowledge of all choices and events ever to be made. Prophesy is His free will. He predestined prophesies at a designated time. And sometimes prophesies of God are simply just foreknowledge of events known from all the known choices and every action and reaction.

Prophesy is destiny.
Foreknown always! And predestined often! But in all thing according to His Will and purpose.

Our choices, and the consequences and the events that follow are simply used by God. We are jars of clay “should the created complained to the Creator, is He unjust?” (paraphrased)

God acts on His free will using our known choices and consequences. And He set in motion a purpose to have many like Jesus, the first born of many brethern"

God’s acts on our behalf, God knowing His actions beforehand doesn’t change God or His intervention, His purposes, His prophesies, nor their outcomes.

Whether happy or sad consequences, or objects of mercy or objects of wrath, or vessels of honor or for dishonor, He uses ALL for good, to fulfill His prophesies, and for His purposes throughout time.

His purposes could be as simple as feeding birds, confirming our faith, disciplining us to obedience, blessing us, and softening hearts or hardening hearts, to revealing to all of creation His children.

God knows all hearts and choices, preknown by an Omnicient God.
But knowing ahead of time doesn’t change free will, He doesnt change our choices because free will still makes choices our own.

KNH777

#85

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Hum. KNH777’s (Me Thinks that sometimes folks choose forum names - from random password generators :exclamation: :laughing: ) previous posts reminds me of Protestant Matt Slick’s response in If God knows our free will choices, do we still have free will?

#86

All very nice, Paidiion. Can you apply it and explain why, in the questions I asked Dandelion? I think everyone can learn something, from my two practical examples.

How would I handle them? I believe in something called intuition, which works alongside reason. I would quickly ask our heavenly father (also referred to as the great mystery in Native American spirituality), Christ, the Holy angels and the saints, for the right answer. Since I am a Christian inclusivist, saints could extend beyond the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox confines. If it were a life threatening situation, I believe I would have the right solution - immediately. Even if I couldn’t justify it afterwards, by logic and reason. But any subsequent investigations, would unfold why it was the best choice.

Here’s what I’ve asked her:

How do you handle moral dilemmas, like those found here (i.e. 9 Moral Dilemmas That Will Break Your Brain) :question: :

Let’s make this simple. Just pick **A Day At The Beach **from the 9 in the article and **Scenario 3 **on the YouTube video. Tell me what you would do and why :exclamation:

The moral dilema given is an unknown. Because God is ultimately in charge of the situation, no one on the track is without God having preknown knowledge. So even what we think we would do, it isn’t an action we would do.
Killing 5 or 1 feels like an alternate moral concience. But sensitivity to life and it causing turmoil within shows the heart of the person making the decission. And God judges the heart not the outcome since our will only controls our hearts, God controls the outcome.

The choice itself isn’t always the right or wrong choice, but the heart and motives are judged by God, and no one else possesses the skill to divide thoughts of the mind and motives of the heart.

Morally we may think saving 5 over 1 is morally right. Or that inaction is wrong. Or that action making the choice itself is wrong.
We then can think even further it’s selfish therefore morally wrong to save someone you love over 5 people you don’t even know.
We can take it a step further, what if the 1 or the 5 with no ill intent of their own are present on the track but you have a bias toward one group or the other. Or what if 1 group is/are purposely owing harm, then that may be an easy call. Now it may be a moral decission because your weighing the value of the 2 groups.
So the 1 being a loved 1 vs 5 unknowns is a matter of God weighing the heart, and determining what’s in it to arrive at its decission.

Like the donkey story and the man riding it, the son riding it, or the donkey not being ridden are all how man judges. But God judges piercing soul and spirit, thoughts and intentions.

Hebrews 4

12For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

  14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. 16Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

1 Corinthians 4
1Let a man regard us in this manner, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2In this case, moreover, it is required of stewards that one be found trustworthy. 3But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself. 4For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord. 5Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; and then each man’s praise will come to him from God.

#87

chuckyz2 wrote:
Also it is written that we are temples made to house a Spirit. I am of the understanding that the Spirit controls the actions and the choices in regards to good and evil. I will use Jesus as an example of One that only did good and what He said.

The Spirit does not actually control us even when we are “temples.” Scripture also says **we can grieve the Holy Spirit… ** and also as Paul admonished sexual sin in Corinth he wrote 18 Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

So it is a Biblical principal that you can still choose to sin even if the Holy Spirit in you

#88

quote] chuckyz2 wrote:
I did not come to do My will, but the will of the Father who sent Me. that verse says it all but I will elaborate on it anyway. If free will is so important and we must willingly choose to believe as is taught in most Christian based denominations, why would Jesus say that? He is clearly saying He does not do His own will, only the will of the Father. He is not saying He chooses to do the will of the Father. And He is saying He has a will but does not do it. He only does the will of the Father. “I only say what I heard from the Father” “I only do what the Father commands me to do”

Doing anothers will does not diminish free will. If a child obeys a parent’s will to clean up their toys, they had a choice of their “free will,” obey their parents will and clean up the toys, or make another choice.

There are many scriptures that discuss becoming 1. Being in covenant is in a contract where 2 are as 1.
Husband and wife become 1, but still have 2 separate free wills. Sexual union become 1 flesh, even with a harlot as Paul said in Corinthians. The body of Christ becomes 1 body but the church still has many free wills within it. The Bride the Church and the Bridegroom Jesus.

The Oneness of God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit 1 Deity with 3 distinct persons. With 1 will moving as 1 being.
We know this because all 3 appeared all at once on a few occasions. And also Genesis says Let Us make man in Our Image.

A good way to describe the language of one, and the idea of one’s free will being said to be submissive to the will of another.
An example describing the idea of wills is a corporation, the owners are listed as participants in the Corp docs. With designated personas such as signee for corp loans, president, vp, chair person etc… The corporation is 1 tax entity with many individuals who have their own SS #, but within the Corp they move as 1 tax ID #. Yet each still bring their own free will, but by their contract of corporation freely submit their individual wills by their own choice to act as 1 business and purpose within the corporation.

John 15

Jesus Is the Vine—Followers Are Branches

  1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. 7“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8“My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. 9“Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. 10“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. 11“These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.

Disciples’ Relation to Each Other

  12“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14“You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15“No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16“You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. 17“This I command you, that you love one another.

Disciples’ Relation to the World

  18“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. 19“If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. 20“Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21“But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me. 22“If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23“He who hates Me hates My Father also. 24“If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. 25“But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, ‘THEY HATED ME WITHOUT A CAUSE.’

26“When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, 27and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.

#89

chuckyz2 wrote:
So it appears He is conscience and aware of who He is and what is going on. And He explains it pretty simply. Forgive me for not giving references, I assume you are familiar with scripture. If you are not, you can find most of what I quote in the Book of John. It is also written that “Gods Spirit” was with Him always. Except for the brief time when He took all sin on Himself and died. “Father, why has thou forsaken me”

This statement doesn’t shows there isn’t a clear understanding of who or what Jesus was. The assumption is being made that Jesus was a carrier of God, like a suitcase. If that were the case it wouldn’t have required a virgin birth, and the host could have been anyone, and even I’d you wanted to follow prophesy then it could have been any decendant of David.

#90

He chose that time to come, it was the right time, so God did it.
He predestined Judas’ betrayal. Not because God made Judas’ choice for him, but because he knew… Judas would be offered 30 pieces of silver and he would agree to betray.

So then God predestined that choice as prophesy, to occur in the day and hour according to His prophesy.

Most prophesy is God’s response to every choice ever made and every consequence that ever unfolded, past, present and future.
And He already had complete foreknowledge of all choices and events ever to be made.

Prophesy is His free will. He predestined prophesies at a designated time. And sometimes prophesies of God are simply just foreknowledge of events known from all the known choices and every action and reaction.

Prophesy is destiny.
Foreknown always! And predestined often!

Our choices, and the consequences and the events that follow are used by God. Every prophesy fulfilled is for the elect.
Every purpose of God leads ultimately to redemption, and presenting many brethern from the first born, Jesus.

His whole purpose is to clone children like Jesus, for lack of a better term.

So everything is done for that good and purpose.
For this reason we were loved and called according to His purpose.

The “for the good of us,” is for the revealing of us, for the purpose of us entering His rest, His garden that He planted of the fruit and vegitation. That He went before us and planted in the garden vs outside of the garden where the ground was cursed with toil, thorns, and thistles. Outside of His planted garden where man wrestles with the curse to yield the fruits and vegetation out of the cursed ground. Read 1st 3 chapters of Genesis again.

Pay attention to Adam being made, God breathed life, then planted a garden. And PLACED man into it. “From the ground man was made, God cursed the ground, told Adam He would struggle against the very ground he was made from, with sweat and toil, thorns and thistles” then Cain was not pleasing, why? He gave from the 1st fruits of the ground" the cursed ground cannot please God.

The whole shebang is this.
We take this scripture “for good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose” as a singular or small application

**26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
**
28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

5Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; and then each man’s praise will come to him from God.

12For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

#91

So when Cain offered from the ground, he was offering from that which is cursed, as man is dust, dust from ground, groud is cursed.

Yet Able’s sacrafice from the 1st fruits of his flock pleased God.

The flock was a provision by God. He provided the creatures, and He multiplied them. So Able just gave back to God what was given.

Able simply cared and nurtured them. Yet his sacrafice pleased God over the fruits of hard labor. Why? Because Able’s was from the provision of God, and from simply Able’s love of care for the flock and love for God.

Cain was working by brute force. Working the cursed ground, toiling against the curse day in and day out working hard against that which is cursed.

Cain’s sacrafice was his work, his hard work! Abel’s sacrafice was from his love and not from hard work at all!

NASB77 • NASB95 • Strong’s

◄ Hebrews 4 ►
New American Standard Bible
The Believer’s Rest

  1Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. 2For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.

3For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS”; 5and again in this passage, “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.” 6Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,

7He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,
“TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.”

8For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience. 12For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

#92

What I’m noticing here is another exposition of scripture - to answer the topic theme. But I don’t see reasons why I should side with this one, over others on this forum. Or those of Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Protestant denominations. Or TV evangelists, Community Churches or Bible Churches - in the area. Please enlighten me :exclamation: :smiley:

#93

I agree that God’s knowledge is irrelevant to your free will. But if your future actions are settled now, then you don’t have the ability to choose. In that case, your actions and those of all people, just move along like an already-programmed movie, and nothing can change it.

Future actions by free-will agents are neither true nor false NOW. They will be true or false when the agents make their choices.
For example, suppose it is true now that you will begin to eat ice-cream tomorrow at 12:00 P.M. Then you will be unable to refrain from eating ice-cream at 12:00 P.M. tomorrow. For if you DO refrain, then it could NOT be true now that you will eat ice-cream at 12:00 P.M. tomorrow. Thus future actions have no present truth value. The statement that you will eat ice-cream at that particular time will BECOME true or false when you have made the choice whether or not to eat it. That being the case, no one can now KNOW whether the statement is true or false, simply because it is NEITHER true not false NOW. So there is nothing to know.

#94

Not exactly
Just because he knows doesn’t mean we know. We all still have to make it through this world. But it should be encouraging if you are part of the elect to know He has it all under control. And we just are charged with living our lives in Him.
I was never a proponent “for once saved always saved”
And that’s kind of what it is, as much as I hate to say it.
But it says work out your Salvation with fear and trembling.
So I guess we should live to work out our Salvation
And we should be confident that we are among the elect and He has it all fixed for us.
The point really is we should work hard in our faith so we can show fruit proving to ourselves and others that we are among the elect.

After all we have to have confidence in conscience that we are elect. So we need to do whatever we need to, to make sure we don’t shrink back on the day of judgement

Also about your ice cream example.
1st of all eating ice cream is not of consequence.
So when we are talking about things oof consequence that’s storing treasure in heaven.
I just ran across some scriptures that say similar. I don’t think every choice is recorded in the front of God’s mind.
The Bible refers to payment of job skills getting a recompense.
So there are deeds recorded in the mind of God and deeds that are not.
Jesus says we were with Him from the beginning.
So I’m studying that a little.

#95

Different in what ways

#96

Different conclusions. Different emphasize. Different in all ways. Do you not see differences between different ministers, priests:, TV evangelists and folks on this forum? Do you not see how your spin on scripture, is different from a minister or priest, at a local church? Or a TV or radio evangelist? Or someone here on this forum? In other words, Baptists are the same as Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans. Methodists, etc. Full Preterists are the same as partial Preterists or Futerists…well…You get the picture. :laughing:

Or let’s put it this way. Holy Scripture is the perfect Platonic form. But everyone sees it via a different Aristotelian lens. Which Aristotelian lens is correct? :laughing:

#97

Your being general that’s not helpful
I have no idea what difference your talking about.

Maybe you explain the my points ‘as you understand them’ and compare.

Free will is a matter of conscience as well as a matter of defined absolutes.
1 Corinthians 6

  9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

The Body Is the Lord’s

  12All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. 13Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will do away with both of them. Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body.

14Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be! 16Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.” 17But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

18Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

#98

Do you think a Roman Catholic is the same as a Baptist…or a Lutheran…or a Methodist? Why or why not?
Do you think everyone’s presentation and understanding of scripture is the same? Why or why not?

I have to go away this morning. So we can continue this “intellectual dialogue” later.

#99

OK sounds good. Have a safe trip.
To compare anything you need to detail the items to some degree.
Catholocism is different than Baptist is very broad.
Because Catholocism is also similar in some ways too
They both believe in the Trinity, and that Jesus is the Messiah, and that sexual immorality is a sin. Although many are caving underneath the weight of the world delivered by lgbt.
So if anything all those churches you mentioned have weakened doctrine the last 2 years especially.

So yeah you really can’t be broad and expect a real understanding of comparison.

#100

OK. Let’s try some basic questions:

How can one tell one has a sound understanding of scripture?
Which is better? A biblical correspondence course from Trump University or an online biblical course at Harvard Divinity School?
Who knows more about the bible? A seminary graduate (where the seminar is accredited by a properly recognized body) or someone who has studied on their own?

#101

It makes no difference in terms of my argument whether the example if of consequence or not.

The point is that statements about future actions of free-will agents are NOW neither true or false. On that basis such actions cannot be known. For to know that “John will become a Christian on March 4, 2017” implies that the statement is NOW true. But if the statement is now true, then John cannot refrain from becoming a Christian on that date, and therefore has no free will in the matter. And the same with ALL other future acts!

#102

Idk I’ve been studying a lot lately and the more I see there is an element that the elect are preknown.
This is the 1st time in my 30 years of a Christian life thar I saw it that way. But it seems that He knows who are His and He won’t loose 1 of us.

Mark 13:20
20 "Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no * life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
Matt 24
22 "Unless those days had been cut short, no * life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 "Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 "Behold, I have told you in advance.

. 28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

#103

Why can’t you compare the things you think are so far off with what you think is sound doctrine.
I don’t think you need to be a Scolari to read the Bible I think there are several scriptures about being like children, the foolish things made wise, wise made fools etc…

So if you have an issue use the Scripture and your explanations and tell me.