Hi HFPZ, I am curious though what they actually mean “I will be saved if I continue in the faith and endure to the end”? Do they mean it is all up to them to save themselves? Do they mean if they don’t endure to the end that they will lose out on life in the coming eons/ages? Do they mean if they don’t endure to the end they will go to hell eternally? You see, they really need to tell us what they actually mean by this.
You are right, Eusebius. Unfortunately, nobody called them out, on the Yahoo forums or threads - regarding this.
From what I understand, the essence of God/word/Spirit of God is at the core of every human being that is born into this world. This is a gift of God, our Creator. We try to blame sin on Satan, society, Adam or whoever else we can come up with as long as it is not ourselves. But the fact of the matter is that sin did come through one man, and that one man is you, yourself. Original sin started at the point when you disobeyed the word that is inside of you, and it ends when you return and walk in the ways according to God. When each of begins to operate in the righteous ways of our Maker, our families, communities and the societies in which we live will change.
Biblical eschatology left in its historical context explains all this… those who remained faithful to Jesus’ warnings would be duly saved from the forthcoming ravages of the Roman-Jewish wars of AD66-70, as per…
Davo, do the following words of the apostle Paul apply to 70 A.D.? In fact, are they relevant to 70 A.D. and the destruction of Jerusalem in any sense?
*For he will render to everyone according to his works: to those who by perseverance in well‑doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and are not persuaded by the truth, but are persuaded by wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.
Affliction and anguish for every person who does evil … but glory and honour and well-being for every one who does good … For God shows no partiality. (Romans 2:6-11)*
Verse 16 would indicate that “the Day” i.e., Christ’s Parousia indeed fits that bill…
This is not dissimilar to Paul’s words to the Athenians where he says…
Said judgment was ABOUT TO fall… that is the meaning of the word translated “will” which should be translated “about to” thus showing its approximate immediacy. The word is <μέλλει> mellei from <μέλλω> mellō = “about to”. Here are a few examples…
Also Paidion… any thoughts as to my request back up the thread HERE? 
Did Paul infer those verses were only for the inhabitants of Jerusalem?
Eusebius, yours is a good question. Truth has no boundaries. It was there since mankind first walked the earth, it is the same truth at the present time, and it will continue to be the truth for the future generations to come. This truth is inside every human at the core of our being. So we can be in the year 2016 or 1504, it doesn’t matter. When we hear it, we either obey it or we don’t, and so the same things will continue to play out in the timeline of human history. To me, Jesus’ words and warnings were not just for the people of that time, but they were meant for everyone; as it is with any words of truth.
Thank God, the truth is what it is regardless of our opinion of it. We can seek truth, but we dont make truth. We can share it but we cant own it. And it will always be more about who we are then what we know.
But didn’t a famous person called Pilate, in John 18:38, ask “What is truth?”. Did he ever find the answer 
Depends on if he was seeking it or not is my guess.
The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, for
“‘In him we live and move and have our being" Acts 17:24
Eaglesway, you’ve made some good points.
HFPZ, the Bible does mention something about a fourfold witness to the truth. I’m not sure what all this entails, but from what I understand, we should be able to know it in the conscience and feel it in the heart. I suppose the physical evidence would testify to it sooner or later, so that we are able to see with our eyes. Scripture also mentions hearing with the ears, so I would say that those who have gone before tell us of it since they have already learned through experience.
Yes LLC, I do believe we can feel it in our conscience, and see it witnessed in the scriptures. The Holy Spirit has come to lead us and guide us into all truth. But the core of that truth is Jesus, the Way, the Truth and the Life, and the mystery of that truth is Christ in me, the hope of glory. So the manifestation of that truth is the expression of the divine nature trhough us.
It is good solid doctrine to focus on that, and imo it is the foundational reason we have confidence in the salvation of all- that is the nature of God, to save all; the testimony of the scriptures is that He is saving all through Christ crucified- the prime evidence that God is love.
So the word of God is that witness, in essence. When it is taken as a source foe jots and tittles of doctrine and focused on knowledge it wanders, in spirit- outside the boundaries of the true knowledge of God. When it is founded on, and focused on that essence, it is living and active.
But “Christians” disagree on so much, and spend so much time on these circular arguments about the same subjects of preipheral doctrine, I wonder at the source of the strife and division.
Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. 16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing. 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. 18 And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.James 3
I’ve enjoyed reading a few that i suppose could be called mystics, including a Mme Guyon & St Francis de Assisi. My favorite might be Benny Hinn:
Benny Hinn - Practices for “Waiting on the Lord”:
youtube.com/watch?v=LvL17LQUYpY
Benny Hinn Worship Collection with Lyrics - Atmosphere for Miracles:
youtube.com/watch?v=BEiYdeM0ysU
Benny Hinn Crusade India:
youtube.com/watch?v=hfmRYzyq5TI
As for Sufi & Hindus, i’m not sure what Hinn would think. Maybe that they are “devils”, as he called people’s co-workers in a message re prayer.
And I would put more faith, in what Catholic theology says…Regarding other religions and faith traditions - since Vatican II…Then what Benny Hinn has to say - regarding these matters.
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-87f4ae2b5327b261c184c22c208ab327.webp
Actually, I would put more trust and faith - in authentic Sufi and Hindu mystics - then I would in Benny Hinn 
I think that the summary of this tread - is this
If no free will and universalism are both true…Then God won’t be able to distinguish, between us and the Zombie population…
And there will be folks, trying to sell ice cream to Eskimos - during the winter.
And God prefers stage shows and stage theatrics - via Benny Hinn…Rather then deal with “real” healers - whether Christian or otherwise.
What do the Scriptures & Early Church Fathers have to say about that?
I’m quite sure Benny could back his view with both Scripture & the Early Church Fathers, though i’ve never heard him refer to the latter.
Scripture does support the inclusivist position (which we shall see shortly). See
Inclusivism and other positions
There is a couple good articles, arguing the Protestant Biblical perceptive at:
An ‘evangelical inclusivist’ defends evangelical inclusivism and Why inclusivism makes sense
An ‘evangelical inclusivist’ defends evangelical inclusivism
Also see:
“Are Quakers Christian, not Christian—or both?”.
And Red Road Spirituality
Notice that inclusivims is NOT puralism. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusivism and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism
Just so we are talking apples and apples. Or oranges and oranges. And not confusing apples with oranges.
More on any “dialogue” tomorrow. As I have a full plate, today and this evening. 
Benny Hinn proclaims Jesus as the only Way to God & chastises an unnamed pastor who appeared on Larry King:
youtube.com/watch?v=azqoBksweZA
The unnamed pastor is alleged to be Joel Osteen:
undeception.com/how-did-i-miss-t … smackdown/
Comments by Osteen on Larry King show re Jesus & other religions:
youtube.com/watch?v=YH4p9CmREls
Critique of Osteen’s comments:
youtube.com/watch?v=BMl2iGKfThY
Osteen says there are many paths to Jesus Who is the Way to God:
youtube.com/watch?v=weEWl52wevI
Which begs the question, what are these alleged “many paths”? Do they involve His grace & faith in Him & the gospel:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Are religions that call Christ a false teacher “paths to Jesus”?
Are beliefs that deny or doubt the existence of God a path to God?
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. (Heb.11:6)
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. (Psa.14:1)
But according to Joel Osteen 99.9% of people are good:
I don’t know about Osteen’s comments - on these matters. And there are MANY who comment - on Hinn’s fake healings and DUBIOUS financial dealings. And Osteen is more, of a Christian motivational speaker. Who lacks a theological training and degree. For that matter, i don’t think Benny Hinn has any either. According to Wiki at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Hinn. So BOTH should refrain from speaking on matters - where they lack qualifications.
Inclusivism is an established theological position. And it is only though Christ, that folks are saved. Whether they know if or not. And it is puralism, that says there are “many paths”. Actually, there’s not too much difference, in the inclusivist and universalist positions. Except for magnitude and number - of those saved.
If folks want to know more - from AUTHENTIC sources. They can go back and read the links - in my prior post. With the apples and oranges GIF.
Should I also provide articles, that call into question - Benny Hinn’s fake healings and DUBIOUS financial dealings?
The apostles of Jesus hadn’t been to the Pharisees school for “a theological training and degree”, but that didn’t stop them from preaching & teaching the Christ, doing miracles & healings in His name, and writing the New Testament Scriptures:
Now as they observed the confidence of Peter and John and understood that they were uneducated and untrained men, they were amazed, and began to recognize them as having been with Jesus. (Acts 4:13, NASB)