Why not get involved… there might be some chance of freeing some folks from much of the religious bondage that goes with so much of that.
“Why evangelize?” — hmm maybe to let people know they’ve been reconciled.
“Why read the Bible, pray, take up your cross & follow Jesus?” — that might be something some people feel let to do, so why not?
“Why not go live it up & part-ay!” — too many Christians live their lives like they’ve been baptised in lemon juice… Christians should be well able to live it up & part-ay! Like why not?
So it’s all about this life, since there is no future or after death punishment?
Is the gospel according to davo: “You are reconciled. But whether or not you believe that in this life won’t keep you from eternal life. All will enjoy eternal life anyway. Even serial killers will not be punished for how they’ve been in this life & get eternal life after they die.”? Does that about sum it up?
Is there anything that would motivate people to take up their cross & follow Jesus besides “that might be something some people feel let to do, so why not?” It doesn’t sound like that would matter. Does this matter:
1 Cor.6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.…
Who’s to say that the partying Paul referred to is the ONLY partying there is. By virtue of the recognition God’s work in Christ i.e., reconciliation, “Christians” should be some of the most overtly “happy” (partying) people on the planet, thereby reflecting “the joy of the Lord” — but unfortunately we’ve learned it’s all about keeping a stiff upper lip and not cracking a smile because “we’re crucifying each day with Christ”. Give me a break… that’s nothing but false humility and a TOTAL turnoff by way of supposed “witness” — imHo.
Salvation certainly is. As to postmortem… there may be some form of recompense (IF I were God there sure would be — lucky for all I’m not) but if there were it wouldn’t/doesn’t involve so-called burning in the “lake of fire”… that was John’s symbolic language equivalent with Jesus’ “gehenna” aka the destruction of Jerusalem of AD70. That was the terminus of the old covenant world, or as John also identifies it… “the second death” — there was to be NO RESURRECTION from Israel’s LoF, i.e., no resurrection of law-righteousness.
Well typically no but that pretty much reflect your level of understanding.
“Eternal life” is relational life with God in the HERE AND NOW, as per Jesus’ most distinct definition…
Notice with regards to “eternal life” Jesus states… “this is” NOT “this will be” — He is speaking of PRESENT life realities.
Everyone has different motivations… what’s yours?
Yeah well, so you’ve quoted that without any comment… AND?
Well, it could possibly matter in terms reigning in life or the lack thereof (Rom 5:17), which is WHAT Paul’s “inherit the kingdom” is all about. Anything that might frustrate the call of God to service could do that. Entering the Kingdom is not about anyone getting to Heaven… Jesus already took care of that, for all.
I suppose it might be hard to know what the future holds if one believes all prophesy has been fulfilled already:
“Pantelism, is a recent term in Christian eschatology that refers to what some see as an extension of Full Preterism. This view maintains that the Scriptures both prophetically and redemptively, were entirely fulfilled in the person and work of Christ and consummated at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Accordingly, this consummation included not only Christ’s Second Coming, but the final judgment, the resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the reconciliation of all things. The unorthodox aspect of this view is that the reconciliation accomplished in 70 A.D was such that there no longer remains a lost condition in humanity and therefore no present need for conversion – which reduces to a form of universalism where all are saved and one must simply realize what has been done for all humanity.”
If all prophesy was fulfilled by 70 A.D., when did the devil go into the lake of fire (Rev.20:10)? Have the “ages of the ages” ended already:
and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night-to the ages of the ages. (Rev.20:10, YLT)
Do you disagree with the article above that there is “therefore no present need for conversion”? Your statement that there “there may be some form of recompense” post mortem seems to be at odds with that.
There are two ways - to preach the prosperity gospel message:
Give money to my TV ministry. And God will bless you, with health and prosperity.
Listen to my message, about God blessing you - with health and prosperity.
Which one is the CORRECT" approach? If the health and prosperity gospel is true?
Concerning the woman who supposedly is saying, “It’s out of context,” I emailed the gif file to my sister-in-law who lost her hearing at a very early age. She has learned to read lips with expertise. I remember an older deaf man in our area who could also read lips readily, but there was one word he could not read, namely “taxi” in which not much happens to your face when you say it except your lower jaw drops and then rises again. However, I tried whispering “taxi” to my sister-in-law and she had no trouble at all with it.
Anyway, my sister-in-law said that “It’s out of context” is EXACTLY what the woman in the gif file is saying.
If all prophesy was fulfilled by 70 A.D., when did the devil go into the lake of fire (Rev.20:10)? Have the “ages of the ages” ended already:
and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night-to the ages of the ages. (Rev.20:10, YLT)
Do you disagree with the article above that there is “therefore no present need for conversion”? Your statement that there “there may be some form of recompense” post mortem seems to be at odds with that.
I’m not Davo or a FP but i bet the Devil was cast into the LOF at the 70AD event. To me it seems clear Satan is quite active and not in the LOF now.
Give me a break… that’s nothing but false humility and a TOTAL turnoff by way of supposed “witness” — imHo.
