I just don’t see it. It seems that much of what I read here are assertions without any real evidence. Claiming that punishment does not have anything to do with love or grace seems to me to require qualifications. Is it possible that God humbles the arrogant in more than just one means (kindness)? Does love get angry? And if so does it not act angry?
I will agree with Talbott that love, when angry, is still love. But I see no logical reason to conclude that angry love behaves the same as non-angry love. Love def. gets angry - but how does it look?
It seems like it’s simply a necessary assumption to dismiss God’s anger/wrath/punishment/chastisement in order to maintain either an ultra-universalist position or a pacifist position.
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