The Evangelical Universalist Forum

How should we treat and approach the Bible?

Yes, the Eastern Orthodox Church accepts the book of Revelation as canonical. We just ignore it (liturgically speaking). It’s not that different than the average Protestant church that never reads aloud from Leviticus during a service. (That’s my experience. I don’t think I’ve ever heard the book of Leviticus quoted in a Protestant service.)

In short, ignoring a text and regarding it as superfluous is not incompatible with regarding it as canonical.

Consider: For the majority of Christian history, the vast majority of Christians did not own a Bible. In fact, the vast majority did not own even a single book of the Bible. After all, books had to be hand-written, which required scribes and lots of time, which resulted in very high prices. So where did almost all Christians get their “Bible fix”? From the liturgy. The Church knew this, obviously. The Church therefore put all the necessary Bible passages in the liturgy. This includes the first 26 books of the New Testament, large and small chunks of the Old Testament (including the entire book of Psalms), and chunks of Old Testament books in the Septuagint that most Protestants do not regard as canonical. The Church put everything in the liturgy that she judged that Christians need. Some parts of the Bible never made it into the liturgy. This is clear proof that the Church regards the non-included passages as superfluous.

Let us take a hypothetical Christian who spends his entire life in Ephesus from A. D. 901 to A. D. 980. We’ll call him Ioannes. Ioannes is a pious man and attends liturgy every chance he gets–basically missing liturgy only when he’s too sick to go. Over the 80 years of his life, the liturgy sinks into his soul, and he listens to and attends and learns from everything proclaimed in the liturgy. Of course, Ioannes does not own any books since he is not a rich man. Nor is he some sort of amateur debater or philosopher. Rather, he is a cobbler who is either A) attending church, B) making and repairing shoes, or C) attending to the necessities and normal things of life (spending time with family, eating, sleeping, etc.). Then, in A. D. 980, Ioannes dies and is buried.

What is interesting about Ioannes is that he never so much as even heard that there was such a thing as the book of Revelation. In his entire life he also never heard large chunks of the Old Testament. Is this a big deal? No. Maybe a little deal? No, not even that. According to the Church, Ioannes got everything out of the Bible that he needed through the liturgy. The liturgy is the Church’s authoritative interpretation of the Scriptures. As such, when parts of the Scriptures are not included in the liturgy, the Church is thereby authoritatively proclaiming that those parts of Scripture are superfluous and can be safely and utterly ignored for one’s entire life.

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Revelation is accepted by Eastern Orthodox but the East was suspicious of it for quite a while (which is why it is not incorporated into the Liturgy), the reason being the East was concerned over possible Gnostic elements in elements that downgraded marriage, equally the West was suspicious over Hebrews, and for a long time neither fully considered either book inspired or authoritative. Eventually though both were accepted when the canon was agreed (while other books which quite a few regarded as authoritative such as the Didache, Shepard of Hermas, and 1 Clement for example were eventually left out).

The probably as I see it is where people locate their authority, that will determine utterly how your read Scripture (and whether you even read it as Scripture). Sola Scriptura is a myth that isn’t possible (not I’m talking here about Solo Scriptura, that is evidently false, but often those who are very deep in this view fail to see it, or even the greater irony that such an approach bows utterly and looks at books of Scripture from a very modernist context to the documents and contextualise the narratives through this cultural matrix and context reading ancient books as though they were genres of our culture - usually demanding that they must be read as strict journalistic accounts - and a strict adherence to philosophical foundationalism and it’s following assumptions and methods that are deeply shaped by the culture we all belong to - and then demand that this is the ‘plain’ reading of Scripture, though such plain reading produces such different results each time, it is silly to treat any ancient documents and literature like this, yet is a deeply imbedded instinct brought from the culture around us, and often those deep into this view refuse to see the fatal flaws in their approach, and that there sole authority is far from Scripture but the very authority and inherited philosophy of their culture and age). But Sola Scriptura also isn’t viable, it is a more developed version of the first, which doesn’t disregard other claims and sources of knowledge and approaches, but claims to put Scripture first, but is impossible for a very similar reason as solo Scriptura, the documents of Scripture don’t explain themselves, and how you read them will be completely governed by the culture, community tradition, what their initial hypothesis or basis of understanding that is the necessary starting point to approach and understand anything at all, of what reality is, and what the role Scripture is and does play in this, and the life of Christian community and worship, all this becomes the matrix and the hermeneutical framework by which anything in the documents of Scripture is interpreted and understood. And that is the highest authority, the prime source of understanding, not Scripture, it can’t be, Scripture does not explain and interpret itself. So not only Solo but Sola Scriptura is a myth, in general you are left with the possibility of the Anglican option of Scripture, Tradition and Reason equally and informing each other, the Roman Catholic position in which the understand of Scripture and Tradition is ultimately through the papal magisterium or the Orthodox (Eastern or Oriental) understanding of Apostolic Tradition, in which Scripture exists and it’s heart and is equally interpreted.

For the rest I’ll just quote what I wrote in the ‘praying for the Damned’ thread relating to this subject:

The Scriptures are part of a progressive revelation:

(Taken from “Scriptural Inerrancy?”, by Professor C.S. Cowles at pointloma.edu/sites/default/ … nt-way.pdf )

And along these same lines, for a wonderful biblical defense of the truly NONviolent nature of God, (in the very face of Scriptures that indicate otherwise), please see this discussion of Richard Murray’s ideas at

Blessings.