The Evangelical Universalist Forum

How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

OK. All you Trump fans and Trump haters. What should Trump (or any current president), do about this?

Let me quote a tidbit.

Russia looks to be ahead in the hypersonic stakes. China is also developing such systems; while the US appears to be somewhat behind.

And watch those sirens, folks.

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This appears incorrect. If indictment of actions as abusing power and unconstitutionally blocking inquiry are true, they’d be a misdemenor regardless of a perpetrator’s “thoughts.”

Regarding the charge of obstructing Congress:

Justice Dept. Releases Legal Opinions That Could Bolster Trump’s Claim of Executive Privilege

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has released several internal legal opinions that could help bolster President Trump’s claim of executive privilege in barring Congress from interviewing witnesses and collecting documents from the executive branch.

The legal opinions were written during previous Democratic and Republican administrations by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which provides legal opinions for the executive branch. Some of them had not been made public until they were posted to the department’s website on Thursday.

EDITORIAL: Impeachment report highlights colossal overreach

There are legitimate legal issues about executive privilege in play, and there is nothing inappropriate about Mr. Trump asking the courts to weigh in on congressional demands upon his administration. Obstruction would certainly apply had the president refused to comply with a duly issued legal order after exhausting all appeals. But to maintain the White House committed obstruction by seeking judicial review of House subpoenas is ludicrous and tantamount to asserting that Congress itself is immune to judicial scrutiny.

Would articles of impeachment against President Trump be fit to be tried by the Senate?

Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution states: “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

A President of the United States does not obstruct Congress within the meaning of Section 4 by asserting executive privilege, which is a key part of the Constitution’s system of checks and balances.

It is for Congress to go to the federal courts to determine finally that executive privilege is not applicable in particular circumstances.

The House of Representatives appears to be choosing to impeach instead of to pursue its option to challenge the President’s executive privilege claim in court.

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This appears incorrect. If indictment of actions as abusing power and unconstitutionally blocking inquiry are true, they’d be a misdemenor regardless of a perpetrator’s “ thoughts .”
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Actually, what I quoted appears to be correct. IF there is proof - other than occult intent - sure, he would be guilty. There has been no proof; but Schiff was happy to say that he did not need it - referring to intent.
Anyway, we’re past that and on to the next new iteration of nuttiness. What an entertaining year we have ahead.

IF there is proof, sure, he would be guilty.
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Right, the House investigation suspicions it happened. A trial of the facts giving total rights to the defendant, with witnesses who would know the facts, is the constitutional duty of the Senate. But my perception is that the GOP wants to avoid at all costs any such examination of facts or witnesses.

Joe Biden Says He Will Not Comply With Potential Senate Impeachment Trial Subpoena

It does seem old baby boomer politicians like Biden & Trump resist testimony that could expose the true facts. Let’s elect a new generation.

A few of the things the MSM either lied about or were too lazy to investigate, just in the past year or so. Some here still don’t know how much that media does lie - Canada in particular never seems to get it.

Is the press biased or just lazy? I have drastically shortened the list to save you pain. :slight_smile:

58. Tues. Sept. 18, 2018

The New York Times falsely reported that a man, Mark Judge, testified he remembered an incident more than 30 year ago in which Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh is accused of assault. Judge actually said the opposite: he does not remember such an incident, and that the allegations are “absolutely nuts.” The Times corrected its article in an editors’ note.

59. Sept. 23, 2018

Multiple news outlets report that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosentein has resigned or been fired. Neither turns out to be true. Axios and others eventually “update” and “clarify” their erroneous reports.

60. Oct. 14, 2018

NBC News falsely reports that President Trump praised Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Actually, Trump had praised the Union General Ulysses S. Grant.

61. Nov. 14, 2018

CNN’s Jeff Zeleny reports that President Trump has decided to fire a deputy national security adviser upon the First Lady’s demand. The Wall Street Journal reports the adviser has been “escorted out” of the White House. Later, it’s reported that neither case was true. “This did not happen. She is still here at the WH,” a senior official told the press. The adviser was reassigned to another job.

62. Dec. 24, 2018

It’s discovered that nearly everything written by a Der Spiegel reporter, who had been honored by CNN, about a supposedly racist Trump stronghold town was fabricated–like much of his other work.

63. Dec. 26, 2018

NBC reports that Trump was the first President since 2002 not to visit the troops at Christmastime. But he (and First Lady Melania) did. NBC added a note to its story but left the false headline in place.

66. Jan. 11, 2019

Fox TV affiliate in Seattle, Washington airs fake, doctored video of President Trump that altered his face and made it appear as though he had stuck his tongue in and out while giving an Oval Office address.

67. Jan. 18, 2019

The Buzzfeed exclusive with anonymous sources implicating Trump in potentially criminal behavior (that Democrats and pundits said would be the nail in Trump’s impeachment coffin) is refuted in a rare rebuke from Special Counsel Mueller’s office.

68. Jan. 22, 2019

The New York Times and Washington Post are among the publications that issue corrections after falsely reporting that an anti-Trump activist had served in the Vietnam War. Additionally, multiple news employees, including a CNN employee, apologize for mischaracterizing as the aggressors Trump-supporting teenagers at a pro-life rally.

69. Jan. 26, 2019

The UK Telegraph apologizes for all the facts it got wrong in a Jan. 19 article criticizing the First Lady.

70. Feb. 18, 2019

While some media outlets responsibly reported and properly attributed allegations in the racist attack alleged by actor Jussie Smollett, others did not. Some unskeptically furthered the narrative that Smollett, who is black, was attacked by Trump-supporting racists who put a noose around Smollett’s neck, shouted racial slurs, told him it’s “MAGA” (Make America Great Again) country, and poured bleach on him. While details are still emerging as of this date, Chicago police have stated that Smollett is no longer considered a victim of the crimes he alleged. The New York Times receives special mention here for adding a biased non sequitur in its early reporting that treated skepticism of Smollett’s story as if it were unfounded, and fit in a dig at President Trump’s son.

71. Various dates: Other faked attacks reported by the news as if confirmed

  1. A week before Trump was elected, Hopewell Missionary Baptist Church in Mississippi was torched and the words “Vote Trump” found painted on the outside. The mayor condemned the incident as a hate crime and stated it was “an attack on the black church and the black community.” However, police later arrested a black church member for the arson. They say the man staged the fire to look like an attack by Trump supporters. Even today, some of the corrected news reports retain headlines seeming to blame Trump.
  2. The day after Trump was elected, an incident at Elon University in North Carolina made national news. Hispanic students found a “hateful note” written on a classroom whiteboard reading, “Bye Bye Latinos.” After the story made news, it was learned that the message was written by “a Latino student who was upset about the results of the election.”
  3. Also the day after Trump was elected, a gay man — reportedly a filmmaker — claimed that homophobic Trump supporters smashed his face with a bottle outside a bar in Santa Monica, Calif. A bloody photo was posted on Twitter, and he was said to have been treated at a local hospital. Police investigated the media reports. They said no complaint was ever filed, there was no evidence of a crime, and a check of local hospitals showed no victim in such an incident.
  4. The week after Trump’s election, a Muslim student at the University of Louisiana, Lafayette, claimed Trump supporters pulled off her head covering, and assaulted and robbed her. She later admitted fabricatingthe story.
  5. A month after Trump’s election, a Muslim-American woman claimed Trump supporters tried to steal her headwear and harassed her on the New York City subway. She ultimately was arrested after confessing she made up the whole story.

73. Feb. 27, 2019

Testimony by former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen seemed to put the final nail in the coffin of the “dossier” claim [reported by many](http://"Four people spoke with McClatchy on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of information shared by their foreign intelligence connections. Each obtained their information independently from foreign intelligence connections. Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article219016820.html#storylink=cpy)— that Cohen had visited Prague to meet with Russians to help collude on Trump’s behalf. Cohen told Congress he’s never been to Prague or the Czech Republic, for that matter. McClatchy even reported that Cohen’s cell phone had pinged off Prague towers. Where did this apparently false information come from? “Four people spoke with McClatchy on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of information shared by their foreign intelligence connections. Each obtained their information independently from foreign intelligence connections,” reported McClatchy.

74. March 1, 2019

The Washington Post deleted a tweet containing false reporting about a January 19 incident regarding a standoff between Trump-supporting pro-life Catholic high school students and a pro-choice Native American activist. The Post wrongly stated, without attribution, that the activist had fought in the Vietnam War. The activist also falsely stated that a high school student had blocked him and “wouldn’t allow him to retreat.” These events were later called into question, and the Washington Post is being sued in a multi-million dollar libel suit over its allegedly false reporting and misrepresentations. The Post also posted an “editor’s note” on this date stating that “a more complete assessment” of the incident contradicted or failed to confirm accounts as originally reported, including that a particular student was trying to instigate a conflict.

77. July 4, 2019

Several news outlets seemed to be victimized by a bad case of wishful thinking when they reported that President Trump’s Fourth of July celebration did not draw crowds. One analysis incorrectly claimed there were “small crowds.” However, by any factual assessment, the crowds were, in fact, huge. That’s in spite of the bad weather.

83. Aug. 28, 2019

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell apologizes for and retracts anonymous, unverified claims stating that Trump had loans with Russian co-signers. At last view, it appeared that far more people had seen or remarked on the initial information than the apology.

The now-deleted original tweet by O’Donnell stated: “A source close to Deutsche Bank says Trump’s tax returns show he pays very little income tax and, more importantly, that his loans have Russian co-signers. If true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.”

86. Sept. 10, 2019

Citing anonymous sources, CNN and the New York Times reported— and other [media](http://CIA reportedly removed top spy from Russia over fear of retaliation — and maybe Trump) repeated– claims that the CIA had to remove a top U.S. spy from Russia in 2017 because of concern over President Trump’s handling of classified information.

The CIA, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and the White House strongly refuted the story. Other media, including The New York Times and Washington Post, also contradicted CNN and reported the decision to remove the spy happened before CNN said it did and for different reasons.

87. Sept. 16, 2019

The New York Times publishes an editor’s note about its recent [story](http:// https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/17/2020_dems_assail_kavanaugh_despite_nyt_story_correction__141272.html) recounting a newly-reported accusation about an incident decades ago involving Trump-nominated Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

The editor’s note discloses for the first time that the Times never spoke to the alleged victim, and that the alleged victim had told friends she had no recollection of any such event. The Times reporters explained that that information had mistakenly been edited out of the story.

88. July 24, 2019

In testimony to Congress, special counsel Robert Mueller puts to final rest the widespread reporting in 2016 originating with Slate.com that claimed a Russian bank server had been illicitly communicating with Trump Tower. When asked about it by a member of Congress, Mueller replied that “my belief at this point is…not true.”

91. Sept. 25, 2019

The Daily Beast and other media outlets reported that President Trump asked the President of Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, eight times in one phone call. However, the released transcript notes reveal Trump mentioned Biden’s son (not by name) one time. However, many in the media claimed the “eight times” allegation was really true because they counted each phrase in which Trump referred to possible corruption or the need for some sort of investigation.

92. Sept. 29, 2019

CBS News’s 60 Minutes reports “the government whistleblower who set off the impeachment inquiry of President Trump is under federal protection because they fear for their safety.”

Shortly after that report, the attorney for the unnamed “whistleblower,” Mark Zaid, tweeted out a statement that read: “NEWS ALERT: 60 Minutes completely misinterpreted contents of our letter.”

93. Sept. 30, 2019

When a black girl claims white boys at school held her down, cut off her hair and called her “nappy” and “ugly,” the story makes national news. However, it turns out there was no attack or “incident.” Three days after the initial reports, the child’s family reported the whole story was made up, and they apologized.

94. Oct. 13, 2019

ABC airs video purportedly showing a “slaughter” and “horrific report of atrocities” against Kurds by Turkey after President Trump withdrew U.S. troops. (The video is allegedly not combat video at all.)

96. Sun. Oct. 27, 2019

Multiple media claims state that President Trump was golfing during the U.S. raid in Syria that captured the head of the Islamic terrorist group ISIS, al-Baghdadi; and that a White House situation room photo had been “staged.” It turns out, according to later reports, that Trump had finished golfing and was at the White House during the operation. (Obama White House photographer Pete Souza had apparently originally tweeted out incorrect information on timing.)

99. Nov. 19, 2019

Agence France Press publishes a sensational story saying that more than 100,000 children are being held in migration-related detention in the U.S. under President Trump. It turns out that was the number in 2015 under President Obama.

100. Nov. 28, 2019

Newsweek falsely reports that President Trump is spending Thanksgiving golfing in Florida at his Mar-a-Lago Resort. He was actually in Afghanistan serving dinner to U.S. troops. It’s the second year in a row that national media makes the same mistake. (The reporter, Jessica Kwong, was reportedly later fired.)

103. Dec. 9, 2019

It would be difficult if not impossible from a practical standpoint to list the thousands of the media reports, from the New York Times to CNN, that have now been proven false by information documented in Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report on the FBI’s misbehavior in investigating the Trump campaign.

Here, they will all be grouped together as one media mistake, but include nearly every major national media outlet that falsely reported, as if fact, that the discredited Democrat-funded “dossier” — submitted by the FBI to get a wiretap to spy on Trump associate Carter Page — was only a “small part” of the wiretap application. Also, the reports that Page was a Russian spy and the conduit between Trump and Putin. Also, the many insistences that Trump was a “Putin stooge” and coordinating with Putin or Russia, when the FBI’s own evidence now shows they never found anything remotely close to that. In fact, they appeared to disprove it.

106. Dec. 16, 2019

The news media widely misreport that the report by Dept. of Justice Inspector General Horowitz found “no political bias” in the Russia probe. As Horowitz made clear in his Congressional testimony, that is false.

Gotta watch them FOX stations :wink:

Just a note from a Brit who feels semi-hypnotized by threads on US politics. Dave old china - no. 69 on your list is true - the Telegraph did apologise to Melania Trump for a couple of inaccuracies in an article they ran on her (and since the inaccuracies were of a personal nature she deserved an apology). But do note that the Daily Telegraph is a right wing paper in the UK - currently named ‘The DailyBorisgraph’ by some for its total and uncrtitical support of our very own Mr Johnson (who writes a column in the paper and was a full time journalist for it earlier on in his career). That much I can tell you - the right wing press also gets things wrong. :slight_smile:

Yep, but not anywhere near the scale and viciousness of the Left wing media here in the States.
And whenever I post a list like this - noone gets excited - they then point to something else. Does not the scale of the MSM fraud and lies here bother anybody? Why do people bring up news sources as facts, then, when those facts are shown to be made up or false, not just stop relying on them for their opinions? I don’t get it.
What ABOUT the list above?
Good to hear from you Dick. :slight_smile:

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I suspect the reason you keep relying on your right-wing sources, even when it’s shown as above that their facts can be false, is that you find their slant fits many of your views.

There are people that have earned my trust over time, and I read them daily. They don’t lie, they usually have good opinions.
I did notice that out of that list, Bob chose a Fox thing - out of the entire list - which I had shortened quite a bit. That is the type of response that seems to come most often; criticism of MSM gets no traction. I’m not sure why.

I mean, OMG - they actually aired THIS. No comment? He MADE THIS UP!

I think this is what we all do. I too observe the sources I read have earned my trust over time.

Now, this is interesting. :crazy_face:

After I did a workshop in London with about 30 doctors, I asked each individually what was their carry back in one word; one most successful surgeon told me, “pause”. He said from morning till night he never stopped, for he never learned to stop, and after hearing me he realised what he has missed in life. We all need so little to be happy and peaceful in life! But we never stopped acquiring, and cluttering both our mind with wrong habits, and our home with things that we don’t have time to use. Be mindful, be meditative, be grateful and you will see your cravings will go and Smiles will be natural and happiness your spontaneous state!

Love infinite from the heart of

~~Bodhi

Oh, no! Is Trump in trouble again? :crazy_face:

" Step back from the grandstanding and posturing, however, and you’ll see things in another light. In a certain sense, the attempts to impeach Trump are shocking. Since taking his oath of office, the president has done great things for our country — and 2019 was no exception.

Perhaps the most obvious of these accomplishments is the economic growth Trump has unleashed. In the second quarter of this year, GDP growth reached 4.2 percent. African American and Hispanic unemployment rates are at an all-time low. Manufacturing is booming, with as many Americans working factory jobs as did in 1950. It’s an excellent time to be a working American, and the numbers prove it.

The president has also made his mark on the international stage, successfully negotiating a replacement to NAFTA that even Nancy Pelosi admits is an improvement. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross anticipates that USMCA will create more than 176,000 new jobs and add $34 billion to the auto industry. It also contains key provisions designed to support America’s farmers.

But the president hasn’t just empowered Americans to achieve greater financial security. He’s also affirmed their dignity and taken a stand on behalf of the most vulnerable. As anti-Semitic violence has grown increasingly common, the president gave an executive order enabling students facing anti-Semitic harassment to fight back under Title VI.

It’s an encouragement to those who support our allies in Israel and seek to honor God’s promises to the Jewish people. Additionally, Congress recently re-authorized the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom — an organization that identifies international violations of religious freedom and advises Congress on how to prevent them.

Once the president signs the bill, our leaders will continue working to stop the persecution of Christians and other people of faith around the world.

The president has also taken a stand on behalf of those caught in our broken criminal justice system. The First Step Act, which he signed into law in late 2018, is designed to reduce recidivism and increase prison safety and sanitation, reduce taxpayer burdens and empower the formerly incarcerated to reclaim lives of dignity and purpose.

And amid a growing crisis at our southern border, the president has taken a stand and fought back against illegal immigration. This past fall, the Pentagon rerouted $3.6 billion from military projects to continue the construction of the border wall. The goal is to build an additional 500 miles of the wall before Election Day.

Most importantly of all, however, the administration struck a decisive blow in the national fight for life. The president passed an executive order that forbade organizations that refer patients for abortions from receiving federal family-planning funding.

The rule forced Planned Parenthood — the nation’s largest provider of abortions — to leave the program, as well as several other organizations that provide abortions.

The headlines excoriating evangelical believers for supporting president Trump haven’t stopped flowing from the mainstream media. But all anyone need do is take a look at the president’s remarkable record, and they’ll see why we supported him."

Get these for your kids, folks. Or perhaps folks, like Dave and Steve?. :crazy_face:

This looks like a job for: :crazy_face:

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Wow, if even half of those are true, then it just reinforces my belief that both sides play dirty and I want nothing to do with any of them.

Reminds me of the Christian publicans who claim persecution where none exists. Same with Muslim, etc … People are not different after all. Just a bunch of shit bags all around on all sides of the fence. At this point any person who doesn’t even try to give fair play is my enemy. The only enemies I have are the people who are dishonest and uncharitable. Unfortunately, that seems to be a majority. Sad.

That’s about where I am, when it comes to those entrenched on either ‘side’.
Most People, OTOH, seem pretty nice, and I’m certainly ‘for’ them.

Amen, my experience is that while we are all a mixed bag, most people have profound goodness in them that often blesses me.