The Evangelical Universalist Forum

How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper


#1843

Whether they cause unemployment, get on welfare, etc…that’s ALL a matter of statistics and relationships between variables. So I say:

Show me the statistics!

For example. I can say XXX number of new immigrants arrived - in the US. Therefore unemployment, welfare, etc. - is going up. Well, it could be college students, who can’t find work. And they are getting on welfare, etc. Or veterans, coming out of the service. ETC. ETC. Or maybe the dead, are coming back to life…and getting on welfare, etc. - as zombies. Anything is possible! Let’s get some statistics, that show cause and effect…and relationships between variables…so we can ALL review them.

Excuse me. It’s time to feed, the new welfare recipients! :wink:

And here’s some “wisdom” for everyone - from today’s Sunil Bali Blog

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#1844

Gabey, I appreciate your respectful response. I have to admit I didn’t expect it. I thought that in your response, you would lash out in anger more strongly than ever.

I also appreciate your explanations.


#1845

Don, are you mustering up calamity? Just asking. :thinking:


#1846

Why would my respectful statement to Gabe "muster up calamity?
Why do you find negativity in virtually every response of mine?


#1847

Sorry, and that is for real. Your statement to Gabe could be seen as a bait.

You can’t ignore our differences in both doctrine and politics. Though we both have to agree that mixing it up here on the forum is a stimulating exercise. On some things we will never agree.

Hope we can continue to be semi civil to each other. :smile:


#1848

With a little effort, we can jack that up to fully civil! :smiley:


#1849

The interpretation of stats will vary based on the interpreter meaning I watch mostly conservative media but if you watch leftist media you fill get different conclusions from the same stats to fit their agenda. You can claim conservatives make the stats fit their agenda too and my answer is that I’ve watched a lot of both, so t least in my mind i’m following the more honest of the two major political views.
BTW I don’t think I made any claims about unemployment which is at 3.7%.


#1850

Just curious but why must people agree? So if they disagree but they are trying in good faith to find the truth , that’s the most important result IMHO.


#1851

Yes. But employment and other variables are cyclic. And that doesn’t mean there’s a correlation, between what a current president is doing and the employment results, etc. I stay away from “left” and “right” wing stats. And look at either academic or independent stats.


#1852

Well IMHO the unemployment rate is tied to GDP which under Obama averaged under 2% and under Trump is averaging over 3%. Sometimes the GDP is cyclical but sometimes it’s related to tax policy or regulations or interest rates or labor supply or encouragement from the oval office.


#1853

ONLY if you can show, a statistical cause and effect relationship - between the statistical variables.

I’m from Missouri. Show me!


#1854

Sorry but you just have to have faith!


#1855

Someone here may be interested to know that “The Zombies” have been nominated to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!


#1856

Hum! I wonder who that person could be???


#1857

That’s your taste in things, and I’m glad you are happy with that. Most of us, though, have to make decisions on non-statistical data - experience, trust, intuition etc. The human way.


#1858

What do you all think of Michael Cohen’s testimony?


#1859

Not sure I trust much these days… With the rich and powerful at the top, both Democrat and Republican alike can frame, be framed, or find a scape goat… Not sure I trust much of anything unless I see it for myself.


#1860

What do you think?


#1861

Hum! There’s an interesting article about Google, in today’s BBC news: :wink:


#1862

Given his usual reactionary rapid-fire little fingers… no tweets from the twit on this, the silence is deafening??