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Is lordship salvation a counterfeit form of the gospel?


How many people would marry their spouse if they didn’t desire them??


What difference does it make, whether you sin 0-10, 50 or 500 times?

3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Should those who profess faith in Christ feel secure about their salvation if they should die while knowing they are rebelliously committing a single willful sin, such as the act of adultery?

If Hitler continued to slaughter Jews while professing a belief in Jesus, could he have been saved while doing so? How about someone who habitually rapes children yet professes to believe in Christ?"


Here’s a couple commentaries from bibliehub:

“—πρὸς τὸ ἐπιθυμῆσαι. [t]he look is supposed to be not casual but persistent, the desire not involuntary or momentary, but cherished with longing.”

Expositor’s Greek Testament

“To lust after her.—The intent is more strongly marked in the Greek than in the English. It is not the passing glance, not even the momentary impulse of desire, but the continued gaze by which the impulse is deliberately cherished till it becomes a passion.”

Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers

Matthew 5:28 Commentaries: but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


Finding someone spiritually, mentally, emotionally and physically attractive is one thing. Being possessed all day long with sexual fantasies, lusts & imaginations is quite another.


Actually, this is a poor translation of the Greek word “πορνεια” (porneia). The word actually means “consorter with prostitutes.” It’s anybody’s guess as to the referent of the translation “sexually immoral.” That which some people regard as “sexually immoral,” others regard as normal and natural.

Earlier translators rendered the word as “fornication” which has come to mean “sex with someone to whom you are not married.” However, the original meaning of fornicate" (from the Latin) was "to consort with prostitutes. See the words under “origin of fornicate” at the following site:


Please stop dodging my questions by responding with questions. Have you sinned in the last month? How many times?


Actually, noone HAS to answer our questions. This is a free give-and-take forum.


Here is all he - or she - needs to say:


I’d like to propose a theory. Say we do sin, as in erring from the perfection of God. Would it not be better to just look at God for answers and not look at the sin itself. I am currently part of an evangelical church, and it is so common to hear people say how terrible they are because of sin; (“oh this body of death, I just wan’t it to die” - I heard someone say) they just seem to be degrading themselves. But that doesn’t get rid of the problem. It puts the problem at the forefront of your mind and would then exacerbate the issue. If God is telling us to be perfect then we should be looking to grow in his ways through looking at him.


But you haven’t given me any reason to spend my precious time on them; how do they have any relevance to anything that was discussed in this thread? What is your motive in asking? Please stop dodging my questions, including perhaps a dozen you dodged earlier in this topic.

BTW i was reading the following url & quotes from it below, which recalled your repeated ad nauseum queer queries:

[QUOTE=“mark kennedy, post: 73371776, member: 29337”]
Just one question and feel free to respond as you please. Have you committed any sin(s) since conversion?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=“Jason0047, post: 73372322, member: 356113”]
It is written,

5 "Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.

6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man’s enemies are the men of his own house." (Micah 7:5-6).

Also, the forum rules state we are not to address the poster or the individual, but we are to stick to the topic with Scripture.

In addition, would you believe me if I told you about my life? Well, trust needs to be earned. I confide in those who believe the Word of God as I do. Furthermore, it does not matter if most of the whole world was not living correctly. God’s Word is still the standard and the standard is not my life alone. God destroyed an entire world with a global flood except for eight people. We walk by faith and not by sight. I am not above God’s Word in what it says anymore than you are. If the Bible tells me to be ye holy, that is something I have to accept (Whether I like it or not).[/QUOTE]



Here’s how to answer obtrusive questions, from today’s Sunil Bali Blog:


“The way to find a needle in a haystack is to sit down.”-- Beryl Markham


But you HAVE been spending your “precious time” responding to my questions, just with non-answers. You would have spent less time than you have if you’d just answered them.


How can time be precious when you have eternal life?


Irrelevant, unproven & unprovable. Furthermore that was not stated as the only reason, but rather my posts have given you multiple reasons why your irrelevant queer queries are not being answered in the way you demand. How are your questions of any different spirit than your witch hunt earlier in the thread calling people hypocrite, pharisee, not saved, etc. Are you looking for excuses for your own habitually sinful life. What is your motive. Come clean.


Unlike you, I’ve answered your question. The answer was no. I’m asking because I wonder if the lordship salvation proponents practice what they preach.


As in e.g. wasting one’s precious time answering irrelevant queer queries, which if answered may lead to many more irrelevant questions, when there are more important matters to attend to.


Even if i believed you, what is your definition of “lordship salvation” that makes you think i agree to it? And how is a survey of one person going to tell you what the Bible teaches on the subject?

Before this thread i had never heard of “lordship salvation” & i’m quite sure i don’t agree with everything on this page:

Which states:


Lordship salvation is the doctrine that a Christian’s works need to be evidence of his faith, in contrast to the “free grace” doctrine. Trying to get you to answer simple questions about whether or not you’re saved according to your doctrine has been like pulling teeth.


Define “free grace”. In “free grace” can a person who believes in Christ commit any sins (e.g. murder, rape) continuously & still be saved?

You’re going to determine if i’m saved? According to my doctrine? And you’re going to do this based on the number of sins in the past month, something which “lordship salvation” says nothing about?

How many sins in the past month would it take so you can call such a person a hypocrite?

People have different definitions of “sin”. What is yours.

I can see it now, a first century qaz going from church to church asking everyone how many sins they’ve committed in the past month, so he can learn whether or not the Bible’s teaching on “lordship salvation” is true. Is that the Bible method for learning truth?

“Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”

Earlier in this thread i’ve already related to you my position on my own salvation status. I don’t need anyone else’s opinion on the matter. Especially not by the methods you’re using.