If you don’t know the difference between the HS drawing people to salvation and regenerating them from sin and death and God “chastising” unbelievers for remedial purposes then I don’t know what to tell ya, brother. They are not the same. 
I’m not going to teach you Christianity 101 you will just reject the truth anyhow. Good day, Lefein.
Christ came to save us from sin and death, apparently that is often done by chastisement, and conviction (a form of chastening, or chiding that the Holy Spirit deals in quite well) - and in your case by the chastening and convicting work of the Holy Spirit, of God, you were brought to Salvation out of the state of being an impenitent sinner; you were corrected by the work of God who chastened you while you were yet a sinner, and brought thusly to the foot of the cross.
Clearly, it is not a matter of me “knowing the difference” between “Salvation from sin and death” and “God rescuing someone from sin and death by correcting them out of it”, considering that they are two expressions of the same thing. It would seem to me that it is not a matter of me being ignorant of Salvation and its subtleties…but rather I think, it is a refusal on your part to confess the witness that is plainly written in your own life.
You were an impenitent sinner, or so you say, and now you are not; you’re now a saint, or so you say. That can only have been done by the work of God alone, by Christ alone, unless you should be claiming any credit for your own salvation.
If however, you were an impenitent sinner and are now a saint through the Salvation given unto you by God then it follows and demands as follows that by God’s corrective action upon you in your impenitent state, you were saved and corrected from that state, and put into the state of being saved into sainthood. If therefore, you were corrected while being an impenitent sinner - then it follows that God does in fact correct impenitent sinners, chastens them, convicts them, and thereby leads them into Salvation; and hence God’s wrath is in fact used for remedial purposes of impenitent sinners, and your theology and statement that God’s wrath “never has, and never will be” used in such a fashion is refuted. And that is just good, plain, Godly common sense.
You’re a walking billboard witnessing to the fact that God and God’s wrath does in fact, correct remedially impenitent sinners. Or would you take credit for your own salvation? I don’t think you would, hence you’re a walking billboard witnessing to the fact, and that very fact refutes your position.
I already know Christianity 101, I don’t need your tutiledge, I am well acquainted, well qualified, and well studied in it. You however might need to take a basic class in humility. You aren’t the paragon of Christian thought around here, and quite frankly, I have the littlest confidence in your capacity to teach, having even littler confidence in your academic abilities.
And seeing as how you edited your first post, I will respond likewise to it apart from what you edited; as it is similar and I answered much about it in the previous post, but it deserves its own consideration.
The Holy Spirit drawing people to salvation, and regenerating them - God by his Holy Spirit through Christ saving them from sin and death, correcting them out of the state of being an impenitent sinner, and hence correcting them into the state of being a saint, is God chastening an unbeliever, or an “impenitent sinner” (as your original statement names the category);
Otherwise the sinner would never be drawn to salvation in the first place, you would never have been drawn.
God is plainly shown to be chastening the sinner for the remedial purpose of correcting that sinner, for the purpose of making him into a saint, by the very act of drawing that sinner to salvation in the first place. God by drawing a sinner to salvation, and the inevitable regeneration that follows, is God chastening that sinner for remedial purpose. If they are not the same, then your salvation and mine is impotent, and void. Unless of course, we want to take credit for our own salvation, but that is off the table as we both know.
Either God saves us, or we save ourselves. If God saves us, then it immediately follows that God does in fact act upon the impenitent sinner for the remedial purpose of correcting that sinner. And in my experience and from the testimony of multitudes of Christians, God’s remedial action upon the sinner often comes via chastening, especially conviction.
I can go ask any evangelical convert and five times out of seven I will hear for their testimony that they received Salvation because of God had convicted them of their sins and chastened them for committing them.
Salvation is a joint effort, Lefein. God provides the grace. We provide the faith. When our faith extends and meets God’s grace we get born again. 
The Holy Spirit convicts people of sin, righteousness and judgment unto salvation. He does not chasten them unto salvation, Lefein. Lord have mercy. 
I will remind you that it is God, and God alone, who gives a man his measure of faith. We are not the source of our faith. I will also add that we can do nothing apart from God, nothing. That includes any joint effort endeavours - especially the endeavour of receiving salvation.
Both of which come from God, are exercised in God, and are utilised unto the purposes of God.
I believe your insistence that conviction and chastisement are in mutually exclusive categories is arbitrary and semantic at best, and outright dishonest at worst.
The conviction and the chastening of the Holy Spirit go hand in hand. When the Holy Spirit convicts, the Holy Spirit chastens. And I have yet to see you make a proper rebuttal, outside of assertions, and outside of eye rolling condescension; both of which I find to be a poor witness on your part, and certainly a poor witness as to the validity of your position.
Conviction is a form of chastening.
I invite you to make a valid rebuttal, a rebuttal mind you, not yet another baseless assertion.
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I understand what you’re trying to say, Lefein but the chastening in Hebrews 12:5-8 does not extend to unbelievers. God says so…Its not my opinion. I’m not going to spend anymore time arguing with you about this. Either you accept it or you don’t. No problem.
Then I will be sure to look even more deeply and specifically into Hebrews 12:5-8 and surrounding context, which I believe does apply to sinners. But at least you understand my position, and that will do for now.
As needs must. Thank you for the discussion.
You’re welcome but I will discuss Hebrews 12:5-8 with you in my thread Words used for “Chasetening” not used for the impenitent with the rest of the OP.
Voted Both, btw.
I don’t know what they mean by better. But there’s strong us vs them sentiments in many communities I’ve been in. They talk about how they’re saved, while calling everyone else dead. They call themselves righteous, while calling others wicked. They say they’re children of God, and call the others rejectors of God. The judgmentalism is through the roof.
In the Orthodox tradition, you’re not a saint just for believing in God… and even saints are sinners… but saint is a title to be earned and it’s not for everyone but for people of great faith and trials. Yet Christians who go home and beat their wife think they’re saints.
Then they wonder why atheists hate us.
I put both, not because I believe that God is releasing His anger and frustration with the sinner, but because I think the correction cannot help being the retribution.
Let’s say you’ve betrayed a friend in some way, for your own (perceived) benefit. You realize almost immediately the horrible thing you’ve done, but it’s done and you can’t undo it. You can confess and beg forgiveness (if that won’t hurt your friend even more), but you WILL suffer for this sin. The suffering is cleansing – your sorrow leads you to genuine repentance – but it is also in a very real sense a punishment or a natural result of your actions.
Perhaps in that sense, we all agree, but possibly don’t see it as retributive. But that’s my take on it. I think the process of restoration is a punishing experience and in that sense is also retributive.
Blessings, Cindy
I see what you’re saying Cindy and that makes sense.
The only thing required being classified as a “saint” or holy one is being born again. You don’t earn sainthood. There are numerous scriptures of Paul addressing Christians as saints. 
Bird
The only thing required being classified a “saint” or holy one is being born again. You don’t earn sainthood. There are numerous scriptures of Paul addressing Christians as saints.
I would never dare compare myself to Paul or something, so I don’t know about that.