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#2201

“What About how the Bible says that those who do not believe will perish or be destroyed?”
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/perish.htm

Kenneth Larsen and James Coram
“Everlasting destruction” would mean that they cease to exist. However, that terminology wasn’t used by any of the prophets. I didn’t make up universal reconciliation. It has strong Bible support.

Where is a resurrection from the lake of fire taught in the scriptures?
The lake of fire is distinctly defined as the second death (Rev.20:14; 21:8). In it is cast all that is still at enmity with God. So that, death is indeed the last enemy (1 Cor.15:26).
And we are just as decidedly told that Christ is the one who abolishes death and brings life and incorruptibility to light (2 Tim.1:10). The reading “hath abolished” is not true as to fact or as to grammar. It is in the indefinite form (commonly called the aorist tense) simply recording the fact apart from time. Death has not been abolished yet.
How and when it will be abolished is told us in the fifteenth of first Corinthians. It is to be abolished by means of universal vivification (1 Cor.15:22). This takes place at the consummation (1 Cor.15:26).
It is useless to look for plain statements on this subject in parts of the Scriptures whose scope is limited to eonian truth, such as the Revelation. It is unwise to look for it anywhere but in the special portion which deals with this topic. Death and resurrection are exhaustively treated in the fifteen chapter of first Corinthians and there it is we should look for clear statements as to the ultimate goal. There we are distinctly told that the last enemy that shall be abolished is death (which must refer to the lake of fire, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). And there we are told that it is to be done by a universal vivification rather than resurrection.
The term “resurrection” is applied to those who have afterward died again, such as those who suffer the second death. Hence there is not a resurrection, merely, from the lake of fire, but a vivification beyond which there can be no death.
It is also apparent from Col. 1:15-20and many other texts that the lake of fire is not the end of God’s plan for those cast into the fire.


#2202

Questions Without Answers

Many people have a very limited view of God’s plan of salvation and when approached with questions, are unable to give an answer, or, unable to give a correct answer. This can be, first and foremost, attributed to lack of true Bible study. It can be caused by the bias of denominational beliefs, creeds, other individual interpretations, or from relying on other people to answer for them.
But, what does the Bible have to say about the individual Christian being able to give an answer when questioned? 2 Timothy 2:15 says to:
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
They are told to “Study”, or “be diligent”, as some Bibles have it translated. Why? To be “approved unto God” and so as “not to be ashamed” when questions are asked. How and what are they told to study? By “rightly dividing the word of truth”, which is the Bible.
Next, look at what the Apostle Peter says concerning questions and answers in 1 Peter 3:15.
“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:”
Within this short verse of Scripture, there are several thoughts that need to be mentioned. These are:

  1. Be READY to give an Answer – be prepared.
  2. Be ready ALWAYS – do not put off a Question.
  3. Be ready always to give an answer – evasion excites suspicion.
  4. Give an answer to EVERY ONE that asks you.
  5. A REASON is asked for – not an assertion.
  6. The answer should be a reason of THE HOPE [not the fear] that is in you.
  7. The Question is to be answered [not in a passion, but] with MEEKNESS toward man, and FILIAL FEAR toward God.
    Below, is a list of 213 questions that will help to clarify God’s plan of salvation as set forth in the Holy Bible, so that when questions are asked, correct answers can be given. To those holding a limited view of God’s plan of salvation, they are truly Questions Without Answers, but, to those who rely on God’s Word, the answers become apparent as His truth is revealed to them.
    The questions were written by A. C. Thomas and appeared in a book by E. H. Lake, entitled “The Key to Truth”.
    Now the Questions:
  8. As we are required to love our enemies, may we not safely infer that God loves His enemies? (Matt. 5:44)
  9. If God loves His enemies, will He punish them more than will be for their good?
  10. Would endless punishment be for the good of any being?
  11. As God loves His friends, if He loves His enemies also, are not all mankind the objects of His love?
  12. If God loves those only who love Him, what better is He than the sinner? (Luke 6:32-33)
  13. As “love thinketh no evil,” can God design the ultimate evil of a single soul? (1 Cor. 13:5)
  14. As “love worketh no ill,” can God inflict, or cause, or allow to be inflicted, an endless ill? (Rom. 13:10)
  15. As we are forbidden to be overcome by evil, can we safely suppose that God will be overcome by evil? (Rom. 12:21)
  16. Would not the infliction of endless punishment prove that God HAD been overcome by evil?
  17. If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the same?
  18. Would not endless punishment be the return of evil for evil?
  19. As we are commanded “to overcome evil with good,” may we not safely infer that God will do the same? (Rom. 12:21)
  20. Would the infliction of endless punishment be overcoming evil with good?
  21. If God hates the sinner, does the sinner do wrong in hating Him?
  22. Is God a changeable being? (James 1:17)
  23. If God loves His enemies now, will he not always love them?
  24. Is it just for God to be “kind to the evil and unthankful,” in their present life? (Luke 6:35)
  25. Would it be unjust for God to be kind to all men in a future state?
  26. If all men justly deserve endless punishment, will not those who are saved, be saved unjustly?
  27. If God “will by no means clear the guilty,” by what means can just punishment be evaded? (Ex. 34:7)
  28. As no man can measure endless punishment to his neighbor, will endless punishment be measured to him? (Luke 4:38)
  29. Would it be merciful in God to inflict endless punishment? – that is, merciful to the sufferer?
  30. Can that be just which is not merciful?
  31. Do not cruelty and injustice go hand in hand?
  32. Can that be merciful which is not just?
  33. Does divine justice demand the infliction of pain from which mercy recoils?
  34. Does divine mercy require any thing that justice refuses to grant?
  35. If the demands of divine justice are opposed to the requirements of mercy, is not God divided against Himself?
  36. If the requirements of mercy are opposed to the demands of the justice of God, can His kingdom stand? – (Mark 3:24)
  37. If the justice and mercy of God are any way opposed, do they "keep the unity of the spirit in the bonds of peace?’
  38. If justice and mercy are opposed to their requirements can Deity be a just God and a Savior? – (Isaiah 14:21)
  39. If “a God all mercy is a God unjust,” would not a God all justice be a God unmerciful?
  40. Is there any such thing in God as unjust mercy, or unmerciful justice?
  41. Is there any such thing in God as just cruelty, or merciful injustice?
  42. If you had sufficient power would you not deliver all men from sin?
  43. Are you more merciful than the God Who made you?
  44. ‘Can a woman forget her sucking child?’
  45. Is the Creator of human sympathy less benevolent than the creature?
  46. If God WOULD save all men, but CANNOT, is He infinite in power?
  47. If God CAN save all men, but WILL NOT, is He infinite in goodness?
  48. Does God DESIRE the salvation of all men? (1 Tim. 2:3-4)
  49. As God is righteous, must not the desire for universal salvation be a RIGHTEOUS desire?
  50. Is it true, that “the desire of the righteous shall be granted?” – (Prov. 10:24)
  51. Did God design universal salvation when He created man?
  52. Will God carry His original design into execution?
  53. Can finite man frustrate the purposes of the Almighty?
  54. Is every individual under obligation to be thankful for his existence?
  55. Will this obligation eternally continue?
  56. Can any one be thankful for that which, on the whole, is not a blessing?
  57. If any one be rendered endlessly miserable, will he be still under obligation to thank God for existence?
  58. Would endless misery benefit the Almighty, as the INFLICTOR?
  59. Would endless misery benefit the saints, as SPECTATORS?
  60. Would endless misery benefit the sinner, as the SUFFERER?
  61. If endless punishment be the “wages of sin,” could the sinner ever receive payment in full? (Rom. 6:23)
  62. As man is a finite being, can he commit an infinite sin?
  63. If man cannot commit an infinite sin, can he deserve endless punishment?
  64. If one sin be infinite, can a million be any more?
  65. If ONE sin be NOT infinite, can a million of sins amount to an infinite sin?
  66. If sin be infinite, can one sin be greater than the other?
  67. If sin be infinite, can it be true that, “where sin abounded grace did MUCH MORE abound?” --(Rom. 5:20)
  68. If sin be infinite, can it ever be finished or brought to an end?
  69. If ONE sin deserves an eternity of punishment, how much punishment will TEN sins deserve?
  70. Do you ardently DESIRE the salvation of all men?
  71. Is it true that God “openeth his hand and satisfieth the desire of every living thing?” – (Ps. 145:16)
  72. Do you fervently PRAY for the salvation of all men? (1 Tim. 2:1)
  73. Do you pray in FAITH, nothing doubting? (James 1:6)
  74. Are you aware, “that whatsoever is not of faith is sin?” – (Rom 14:23)
  75. Would God require us to pray for all men, and to pray in faith, unless He intends all men should be saved?
  76. If you believe endless misery to be the truth of God, why should you desire and pray that it may prove false?
  77. Can the pleasure of the Almighty be contrary to his determinate will?
  78. Would the infliction of endless misery afford pleasure to the Deity?
  79. Can God be glorified by that which gives Him no pleasure?
  80. As Jesus “tasted death for every man,” can it be true that “the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hands,” if a part are never saved? (Heb. 2:9)
  81. If God “declares the end from the beginning,” can the final destiny of mankind be contrary to His will?
  82. Can endless misery be brought about contrary to the GOOD PLEASURE of the Almighty?
  83. Can God WILL anything contrary to His knowledge?
  84. Did God know when He created man, that a part of His creatures would be endlessly miserable?
  85. If God, when He created, did not know the result of creation, is He infinite in knowledge?
  86. Power is the ability to do: is knowledge simply the ability to know?
  87. If God knew when He created man, that some would be eternally wretched, did He not will this to be their doom?
  88. If God willed the endless misery of a part of His creatures, why is it said that “he will have all men to be saved?” – (1 Tim. 2:4)
  89. If the Scriptures should testify, that God “will have all men to be damned,” could we safely infer that a part might be saved?
  90. If the Scriptures testify, that God “will have all men to be saved,” can we safely infer that a part may be damned?
  91. If God made an endless hell before He created man, did He know there would be any use for it?
  92. If God knew there would be use for an endless hell, must He not have created some men for endless misery?
  93. If God made an endless hell, was it included in the works which He pronounced “very good?” – (Gen. 1:31)
  94. If there be an endless hell, and it was not made before the creation of men, when was it made?
  95. If there be a personal devil, who made him?
  96. Can there be any such thing as sin in heaven?
  97. If there was sin in heaven, many not sin be committed there again?
  98. If an angel of light became a devil, was not Paul in error, when he said Satan is transformed into an angel of light? – (2 Cor 11:14)
  99. As sin presupposes temptation of some sort, who tempted a holy angel to sin?
  100. If an angel could sin without a devil to tempt him, may we not sin without a devil to tempt us?
  101. If a holy angel was tempted to sin by surrounding evil, is heaven a holy place?
  102. If an angel was tempted by evil passions, could he have been holy?
  103. If an angel became a devil by sinning, was Adam’s the original sin?
  104. If Adam became mortal (that is, subject to death,) by sinning, must he not have been created immortal?
  105. If Adam had been created immortal, could he ever have died?
  106. If Adam sinned without inheriting total depravity, why should inborn depravity be assigned as the cause of our sins?
  107. Would there be any more impropriety in imputing MY sins to Adam, than in imputing HIS sins to ME?
  108. If men are totally depraved by nature, must not children be so likewise?
  109. If children be totally depraved, is it true, that “of such is the kingdom of heaven?” – (Mark 10:14)
  110. Men are to be washed from their sins. If they are totally depraved, what is there to wash?
  111. If evil men and seducers “wax worse and worse,” (2 Tim. 3:13), can they be totally depraved at first?
  112. If human reason be “carnal and delusive,” why did Jehovah say, “come now and let us REASON together?” – (Isa. 1:18)
  113. If reason be delusive, why should some folks reason against the use of reason?
  114. Can an effect exist without a cause sufficiently powerful to produce it?
  115. If “we love God because he first loved us,” is it true that we must first love HIM before He will love us?
  116. If “we love God because he first loved us,” is it not plain that He loved US when we did not love HIM?
  117. If God loved US when we did not love HIM, is not our love to Him the EFFECT (and not the CAUSE) of His love to US?
  118. Was it consistent with divine justice, to love us, when we did not love Him?
  119. If God once loved us, will not that love eternally continue?
  120. If the love of God is the cause which produces love in man, can anger and wrath produce the same effect?
  121. Is it the revealed will of God that all men should be saved?
  122. Can God will all men to be saved, knowing that a part will be forever lost?
  123. If God has two wills, why is double-mindedness condemned in the Scriptures?
  124. If God has two wills, why does the Bible say, “He is of one mind?”
  125. If God has a secret will, how did you gain a knowledge of it?
  126. Can that be a secret which has been revealed?
  127. If God revealed His secret will to “the saints,” why should they reveal it to “the wicked?”
  128. If God under any circumstances, wills the endless misery of a human soul, in what does He differ from Satan?
  129. Can Jesus Christ be the Savior of any more than He actually saves?
  130. Can Jesus be “the Savior of the world,” (1 John 4:14), if the world is not saved by him?
  131. Is Christ, in any sense, the Savior of unbelievers?
  132. If Christ be in no sense the Savior of unbelievers, why are unbelievers called upon to believe in Christ as their Savior?
  133. If unbelievers are not called upon to believe in Christ as their Savior, what are they to believe?
  134. Must not the thing to be believed, be true before it is believed?
  135. Must not the thing to be believed continue to be true, whether it be believed or disbelieved?
  136. “What if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faith, [or faithfulness] of God of none effect?” – (Rom. 3:3)
  137. Is it true that “God hath concluded all in unbelief that he might have mercy on all?” – (Rom 9:32)
  138. Can God be “especially the Savior of them who believe,” unless He be actually the Savior of all? – (1 Tim. 4:10)
  139. If belief and good works in this life, be essential to eternal salvation in the next, can infants be saved?
  140. Can the good actions of finite man merit an infinite reward?
  141. Can the evil actions of finite man merit infinite punishment?
  142. If men are saved by works, is salvation of grace?
  143. If one man is saved by grace, why should not all be saved in like manner?
  144. Is God a partial being?
  145. Can the faith of the Partialists be based in the wisdom that is “full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality?” – (James 3:17)
  146. Can sufficient provision be made for the salvation of all men, if some men are never saved?
  147. Must not sufficient provision be sufficient to subdue the will of the creature?
  148. Is there any other way to determine the sufficiency of the means employed, than by the accomplishment of the end designed?
  149. Does not the law of God require all men to love him supremely, and their neighbors as themselves?
  150. Is it true, that “not one jot or tittle of this law shall pass till all be fulfilled?” – (Matt. 5:18)
  151. Does not justice require of us the fulfilment of the law of God?
  152. Will not justice be eternally violated, if the law of God be not universally fulfilled?
  153. Can they fulfil the law of love who are rendered eternally miserable?
  154. Can justice require the obedience of the sinner, and at the same time require his eternal disobedience?
  155. If whoso “offereth praise glorifieth God,” (Ps. 1:23), can He be glorified by those who have no cause to praise Him?
  156. If any one be rendered eternally miserable, can he have any cause to praise His Maker?
  157. Will God ever place some of his creatures in such a situation they cannot praise him?
  158. Do you believe that endless punishment would manifest the glory of God?
  159. Can you rejoice in the hope of the glory of God?
  160. Would not the salvation of half of mankind glorify God more than the salvation of one-fourth?
  161. Would not the salvation of nine-tenths of mankind glorify God more than the salvation of one-half?
  162. Can we give “glory to God in the highest,” without believing in the salvation of all men?
  163. If “all have sinned, and (thus) come short of the glory of God,” (Rom. 3:23), would eternal sinning mend the matter?
  164. Shall “every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father?” – (Philippians 2:11)
  165. Is endless misery “good tidings of great joy which shall be to all people?”
  166. Could man be endlessly miserable without being endlessly a sinner?
  167. If sin exist eternally, can it be true that Christ was to finish the transgression, and to make and end of sin? – (Dan. 9:34)
  168. As Jesus gave himself a ransom for all men, can he ever “see the travail of his soul and be satisfied,” if endless misery be true?
  169. Do you hope that endless misery is true?
  170. Is “faith the substance (or foundation) of things hoped for?” – (Heb. 11:1)
  171. If endless misery be not a thing hoped for, can it be a part of the Christian faith?
  172. Is it certain that one soul will be eternally lost?
  173. Is it certain that one soul will be saved?
  174. Is it certain that all will not be damned?
  175. Is it certain that all will not be saved?
  176. Can that be certain which is not decreed?
  177. If it be certain that one soul will be saved, must there not be a decree concerning the salvation of a definite number?
  178. If the number of the saved be definitely fixed, must not the number of the damned be equally definite?
  179. If there be no certainty in relation to the final destiny of man, is not salvation a work of chance?
  180. What better is chance than Atheism?
  181. If God knew, when he created, what the end of each soul would be, is not that end as certain as if it was decreed?
  182. Is not the merciful man always merciful to his beast?
  183. Will not the merciful God be always as merciful to His creatures, as the merciful man is to his beast?
  184. Is it true that the “tender mercies of the Lord are over all his works?” – (Ps. 145:9)
  185. Is it true that the Almighty is without variableness, or the shadow of turning?
  186. Would there be any tender mercy in the infliction of endless misery?
  187. Are the tender mercies of the Lord like unto the tender mercies of the wicked which are cruel?
  188. If God is not the Father of sinners, why should sinners pray, saying, “Our Father, forgive us our trespasses?”
  189. “Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us?” – (Mal. 2:10)
  190. If God be the Father of all men, will He do less for His children than earthly parents would do for theirs?
  191. Is it true that God punishes us “for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness?” – (Heb. 12:11)
  192. Would endless punishment be for our profit?
  193. Would endless punishment “yield the peaceable fruits of righteousness unto them who are exercised thereby?”
  194. Is there an afterward to eternity? – (Heb. 7:14)
  195. Can any doctrine be too good to be true?
  196. Will God contend forever and be always wroth? – (Isa. 62:16)
  197. Will the Lord cast off forever? – (Lam. 3:31-33)
  198. Can he be a Christian who worships the Lord through fear of the devil?
  199. Can he be a Christian who affirms that if he believed in the salvation of all men, he would not worship God?
  200. Can he be a Christian who inquires, “if all men are to be saved, what use is there in being virtuous?”
  201. Some persons say, that if they did not believe in endless punishment, they would take their fill of sin. How much sin would it take to fill a Christian?
  202. If “the goodness of God leadeth to repentance,” why should His eternal wrath be preached to sinners?
  203. If “the goodness of God leadeth to repentance,” why should it not be supposed that repentance leadeth to the goodness of God?
  204. If “the goodness of God leadeth to repentance,” are not the impenitent the objects of His goodness?
  205. Is not the goodness of God co-extensive and co-eternal with His wisdom and power?
  206. As the wisdom of God can never change to folly, nor His power to weakness, will His goodness ever change to hatred?
  207. Can Deity be universally and eternally good, if endless misery be true for a single soul?
  208. If all men deserve endless punishment, would it not be right for God to inflict it?
  209. “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
  210. If it would be right for God to punish all men eternally, would it not be wrong for Him hot to do it?
  211. As the infliction of endless misery would be returning evil for evil, would it be right for Deity to inflict it?
  212. If the return of evil for evil be right in Deity, would it not be equally right in man?
  213. As “fear hath torment,” and true religion is happiness, can fear produce true religion?
  214. As “perfect love casteth out fear,” will not fear cast out perfect love?
  215. Can fear imbue the soul with perfect love?
  216. Must not they who “believe and tremble,” be possessed of the faith of devils?
  217. Does the belief of endless misery cause the believer to “rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory?” – (1 Pet. 1:8)
  218. Can a belief of any thing short of universal salvation, fill the soul with “joy and peace?”
  219. Will not the devil and all his works be destroyed? – (Heb. 2:14; 1 John 3:8)
  220. Will not death, the last enemy, be swallowed up in victory and destroyed? – (Isa. 25:6-8; 1 Cor. 15:26-54)

#2203

Questions
In order to have a consistent, logical Biblical worldview, some questions about the Final Destiny of people must be answered. The Bible, to be credible, must be able to be logically explained. This is self-evident. As centuries have passed, ideas that were Orthodox, but unbiblical, have fallen away. Sometimes en masse, as during the Reformation. Sometimes more slowly, as with the gradual abolition of slavery, which was led and championed primarily by Christians.
Here are a few questions about the common Orthodoxy of Eternal Damnation. Unless these can be honestly answered, without rhetorical trickery, the Orthodox is just an unorthodox as Relics and paying for release of dead relatives from Purgatory was during the majority of Christian history.
• If some people will end up in eternal torment, is God unable or unwilling to save them? Logically, it must be one or the other. No tricky appeal to free-will can alleviate the tension of the question.
• If we determine our destiny by our free will, then is not our will stronger than God’s will? How do we deal with passages as in Romans 9 that says we cannot resist His will?
• If some people will be tortured eternally, which is apparently the will of Satan, how is Satan a defeated foe? Doesn’t eternal torment make Satan a partial victor?
• How can there be “no more tears” if some people will be tormented forever?
• How can we say that “His mercy endures forever!” if His mercy for us, in the most practical and real terms, ends if we do not choose to follow Christ before we die?
• Given the Bible’s revealed standards of righteous and justice (which are clear and not myterious at all), how is unending punishment just reward for temporary sin? Again, the Bible is clear on standards so saying “God’s ways are not our ways” or “It’s a mystery with God” is only an avoidance of a hard question. The question must be Biblically answered with justification from Scripture.
• If God “gives up” on those who do not choose Jesus before death, how does the parable of the 100 Sheep, with 99 found and the master leaving the 99 to find the one lost one, make any sense?
• Why does God give up on people after death?
• If eternal Hell is the price for disobeying God and living in Sin, why did God hide that from Adam and Eve and promise a different penalty? Why did God hide the most horrific fate possible, torture in Hell forever, from mankind for entire Old Testament period (probably 4,000 years)?
• How does the idea of Col 1:15-20 “restore All Things” (Ta Panta - The universal All in Greek) make any sense if some things are permanently and irrevocably isolated from and unrestored to God forever?
• Why must an omnipotent, omniscient God, who describes Himself as “Love”, settle for not having everything that has ever been made love and worship Him? Why must He settle for a divided creation in which some live in abundant joy and others live in mind-numbing torture? Is God really that weak or does He want that kind of reality?
• Why do we think that our “will” is so absolutely free, when it is affected by every little around us and we rarely respond from thought alone, but often from instinct built in us from birth?
• How can God be “All in All” as Revelation states He will be in the end if All is not in complete harmony with Him and His character of love, joy, peace, etc.?
• Why did God create a place of unending torture in the first place?
• How is God glorified in unending pain that does not lead to being restored to righteousness and loving relationship to Christ?
These, and many more questions, must be answered scripturally and logically if the idea of an Eternal Torture is to be even considered as a Biblical possibility


#2204

RAY PRINZING TAPES

RAY PRINZING IS MY EARTHLY HERO AND MENTOR

GOOGLE UP RAY PRINZING TO READ SOME REALLY GOOD WRITINGS

During my twelve year nervous breakdown caused by my inability to love a god who would allow anyone to suffer forever, I would listen to a Ray Prinzing tape while I washed the dishes of my family every day and before going to sleep at night. Through the years that I repeatedly listened to these tapes I became more and more confident that that I was going to recover from my breakdown.

In the opinion of Rodger Tutt of Toronto, Canada, the following are the best of all of Ray Prinzing’s taped sermons.

6 CHRIST OUR MERCY SEAT
8 NO SUBSTITUTE
9 TRUST
16 SEE NO EVIL
29 THEREFORE CHOOSE LIFE
30 GOD’S WONDERFUL VENGEANCE
32 SUFFICIENT THE EVIL
35 CHANGING THY STRENGTH
36 AS KINGS AND PRIESTS
38 REVELATION TO REVELATION
42 THE TREE OF LIFE
48 KEPT IN PEACE
51 GOD’S RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENTS
55 ALLEGORY OF RACHEL
56 NONE SHALL BE LOST
59 REPENTANCE TOWARDS GOD
61 AND GOD REPENTED
63 THE END OF THE LORD
71 URGED ON BY FAITH
76 MINISTRY OF SALT
89 BLESSINGS REWARDED OR INHERITED
90 NO CONDEMNATION
95 NOT SOMEHOW BUT TRIUMPHANTLY
101 PASSING THROUGH
104 THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL
105 THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD
109 PLENTEOUS REDEMPTION
111 OF THE SAME LUMP
119 HELD TOGETHER BY LOVE
121 ESTABLISH THE SECOND
122 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART TWO
123 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART THREE
128 ADVANCE IN ADVERSITY
131 ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT
133 AFTER THE PRESSURES
134 THE POLISHED SHAFT
135 INTERNAL TRIUMPH
136 RECONCILED INTO HIMSELF
138 AT PEACE WITH YOUR CALLING
142 THE HIDDEN ONES
143 GOD’S GENTLENESS TO MAN
147 BEYOND DISCIPLINE
148 BEHOLDING HIM
149 DELIVERANCE
150 ENTER THY CHAMBERS
151 GOD OF THE VALLEY
152 GOD OF THE MOUNTAINS
153 IN QUIETNESS
154 IN CONFIDENCE
158 RENEWED INTO HIS MIND
160 EAT THE BOOK
161 HOLD FAST TO THE HEAD
162 THE SEVENTH MAN
164 SORROW TURNED INTO JOY
165 MAKE READY A PEOPLE
166 DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS
167 THE BIRTHRIGHT CHALLENGE
168 MY FATHER IS GREATER
169 HIS PARTICIPATING PRESENCE
170 CHANGES, TYRANNY OR BLESSING
171 TILL HE PLEASE
172 IN HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
173 KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL
174 THE SWORD GUARDED WAY
175 THE HEAVENLY VISION
176 DEFEATING THE ACCUSERS
177 NEITHER TOIL NOR SPIN
178 THE LAW OF CIRCULARITY
180 HE THAT SHALL ENDURE
181 LIFT UP A STANDARD
183 MUCH MORE
186 WHEN GOD HIDES HIS FACE
187 FAITH VICTORIOUS
188 DIVINE CONFIRMATION
189 WAIT FOR WISDOM’S CHILDREN
190 GOD CHOSE OUR FATHERS
192 LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER
194 EARTHEN VESSEL SINKS
196 A VERY PRESENT HELP
197 A NEW COAT, YEAR BY YEAR
198 COME UP HITHER
199 UNDER HIS SHADOW
200 A HUSHED SECRET
201 EXPECTATION OF RIGHTEOUSNESS
202 RETURNING INTO GOD
203 PUT A DIFFERENCE
204 FROM EAST TO WEST
206 TIME OF YOUR SOJOURNING
207 HIS HAND IS STRETCHED OUT
208 WHAT SHALL I DO?
209 TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS
210 GIVE DILIGENCE
211 LIVING EPISTLES
215 THE LORD THY REARWARD
216 THE ANGER OF THE LORD
217 GOD APPOINTED HORIZONS
218 HOLD FAST TILL I COME
219 ACTIVELY RESTING
221 AN INNER REJOICING
222 BLESS ME INDEED
224 NO MORE ECCENTRIC
225 NOT A SPIRIT OF FEAR
226 FORGET NOT ALL HIS BENEFITS
227 AND SUDDENLY
228 THE HEAVENLY HOST ATTENDS
229 FIT FOR THE KINGDOM
230 JUDGEMENT UNTO VICTORY
231 GOD IS IN CONTROL
232 THE LORD OUR HELPER
233 OUR THREEFOLD JUDGEMENT
235 GOD COUNTED THE COST
236 THY LIFE FOR A PREY
237 THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS
238 FROM POVERTY TO RICHES
239 ABIDING IN GOD
240 PARTS OF HIS WAYS
241 CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST
242 MASTER OF MYSELF
243 ANOINTED EYE SIGHT
244 FAITH THAT OBTAINS
246 THE FURNACE FOR GOLD
247 RAISE UP THE FOUNDATION
248 SHALL PROSPER IN HIS HAND
250 INWARD REVELATION OF THE SON
251 KINGDOM LIFE TRANSFORMING
252 SO GROWS THE KINGDOM
253 AFTER YE HAVE SUFFERED
254 CHOSEN TO KNOW HIS WILL
255 HEALING THE BREACHES
256 OUR THREEFOLD RESURRECTION
257 A THORN FOR THE FLESH
258 THE MINISTRY OF WAITING
259 THERE IS A RIVER
267 HEARING, LEARNING, COMING
268 THE LORD ALWAYS BEFORE ME
269 HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED
270 GOLD IN THE MAKING
271 MAKE TO LACK, READY TO FILL
273 ACQUAINTED WITH THE ALMIGHTY
274 EACH IN HIS OWN RANK
278 GOD’S UNFINISHED WORK
280 FULLY PERSUADED
285 CONTINUALLY WITH HIM
286 SURRENDERED TO HIS LORDSHIP
295 TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS
296 INIQUITY SHALL HAVE AN END
297 OVERFLOW WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS
298 THINGS BELONGING TO PEACE
301 HIS DESIRE IS TOWARD ME
302 REFINED AS SILVER
303 AND GOD REMEMBERED
304 LOOSE THE PRISONER
305 ASPECTS OF SPIRITUAL LIFE
306 GOD’S INDWELLING CONTROL
307 OUT OF HIM WE CAME
308 GRACE UPON GRACE
309 JUDGEMENT RESTS FOR A LIGHT
310 HIS MERCY ENDURETH FOREVER
312 THE SURE MERCIES OF DAVID
315 THE DEVIL DESTROYED
316 TOTAL AVAILABILITY
317 VIEWING THE THIRD DAY
326 KINGDOM AUTHORITY

THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE RAY PRINZING TAPES

GOOGLE UP RAY PRINZING TO READ SOME REALLY GREAT WRITINGS

Ray Prinzing’s very best, and his two extra good tapes.

30 GOD’S WONDERFUL VENGEANCE
101 PASSING THROUGH
104 THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL
109 PLENTEOUS REDEMPTION
123 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART THREE
138 AT PEACE WITH YOUR CALLING
215 THE LORD THY REARWARD
216 THE ANGER OF THE LORD
217 GOD APPOINTED HORIZONS
226 FORGET NOT ALL HIS BENEFITS
230 JUDGEMENT UNTO VICTORY
232 THE LORD OUR HELPER
235 GOD COUNTED THE COST (extra good)
236 THY LIFE FOR A PREY
237 THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS
248 SHALL PROSPER IN HIS HAND
255 HEALING THE BREACHES
295 TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS
315 THE DEVIL DESTROYED
339 GOD SO LOVED HE GAVE
352 BUT GOD MUCH MORE
385 FREEDOM OF THE GLORY
387 ESTABLISHED BY GRACE (extra good)


#2205

Everyone has an “opinion,” including Ray Prinzing (my earthly hero and mentor).

I’m just so glad that I discovered his “opinion” that enabled me to recover from a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78, I’m 79 now) caused by my inability to love or trust a god who would let anyone suffer forever or annihilate them. During that period of time I had continual panic attacks both night and day.

During my breakdown, every morning, as I washed my family’s dishes and before I went to sleep at night, I would listen to one of Ray Prinzing’s many tapes.

I have listened to 178 of them twice, and 23 of them several times.

In addition to these tapes, I always read every issue of his periodical GOSPEL ECHOES which he later renamed LETTERS OF TRUTH (because someone else had the copyright on GOSPEL ECHOES) and I gleaned many pages of his writings into my personal journal.

Many people have an earthly hero, someone in their life that made a contribution to their welfare so significant that it is far above the influence that anyone else has had.
Ray Prinzing is that earthly hero to me.

For several years my 104 year old dad called me from his nursing home each evening. Each time he called I read a portion of my over four thousand page journal to him, and many of these readings are the gleanings that I wrote from Ray Prinzing’s writings and tapes. Many nights my dad fell asleep listening to one of Ray’s tapes.

As I listened to Ray’s tapes I gradually became more and more sure that I was going to recover. The contents of his tapes gave me the courage, in 1978, to take a public stand that I believe that the Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation.

Now I spend most of my time offering people, in various ways, the information that helped me recover and helps me stayed recovered, and I am pleased to report that the info I share is helping other people in the same way that it helped me.

All of Ray Prinzing’s writings can be accessed by typing his name into Google. There are several pages of Google links about him.

The theme of universal salvation is prominent in all of Ray’s writings, but his book
REDEMPTION ALL IN ALL is especially good.

Ray Prinzing has now passed on, but he will not likely be forgotten on this earth for many years, if ever. And that is a very good thing! :slight_smile:


#2206

RAYMOND VAN DYKE
Mr. Ray A. Van Dyke, compiled a comparison between the revelation given in Revelation and that given to Paul, as recorded in 1 Cor. 15:22-28. His comments are reproduced here:
“In the book of Revelation we do not have the final plan of God. Paul, in 1 Cor. 15:22-28 takes us much further into the future than does the book of Revelation. To illustrate this more clearly, study the following: 1 Cor. 15:22-28 as compared with the new heaven and new earth of Revelation 20:21-22:
In 1 Cor. 15:22-28, we have:
• No more rule
• No more authority
• No more power
• No more enemies
• No more reigning
• All subjected
• No more death, death destroyed.
• All made alive, immortal

In Revelation 20:21-22, we have:
• Still rule (20:6; 22:5)
• Son still reigns (22:1-5; 11:5)
• Authority (21:24,25)
• Power (21:24,25; 22:2
• Kings (21:24-26)
• Saints reign (22:5)
• Second death still exists (21:5)
• The nations still mortal (22:2)
-end quote

Christians who believe in universal reconciliation believe that the Bible is God’s Word, and His Word cannot contradict itself, hence the inspired sacred Scriptures say in Rev. 11:15; 22:5, eis tous aionas ton aionon, “for the eons of the eons.” Thus, Christ our Lord “reigns for the eons of the eons,” not as the king’s translators rendered, “forever and ever.” Therefore, Revelation 20:21, 22 fits into the framework of the eons, and is truth relative to the eons. First Corinthians Chapter 15 fits at the consummation (end) of the eons. We give the second Adam, Christ, as much credit and numerical ability as the first Adam, and use 1 Cor. 15:22-28 also for this truth. (Read Rom. 5:18-19.)
http://lovewins.us/388/an-analytical-study-of-words/


#2207

IMO the following should be required reading for all Bible school students.
WHAT MOST OF THE EARLY CHRISTIANS BELIEVED
And they were reading the Bible in its original language!

Universalism:
The Prevailing Doctrine Of the Christian Church During Its First Five-Hundred Years
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html
And they were reading the Bible in its original language!

QUOTES FROM CHURCH FATHERS
http://www.tentmaker.org/Quotes/churchfathersquotes.htm

Tracing Universalist Thought Through Church History
http://www.tentmaker.org/tracts/Universalists.html

THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html


#2208

I am 79 years old.
My inability to successfully emotionally cope with the idea that God lets anyone suffer forever has caused me more suffering than all the other sufferings of my life combined.
That is why writings like the following are such a great help to me!

ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST
http://www.richardwaynegarganta.com/4ViewsOfSalvation.htm

More good writings on the same subject by the same author.
http://www.sigler.org/slagle/

BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html

RESPONSES TO PHILISOPHICAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST UNIVERSAL SALVATION

Good news of God’s love for all mankind - find it here at Tentmaker
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/index.html

A UNIVERSAL SALVATION THESIS THAT SHOULD BE ON
THE REQUIRED READING LIST OF ALL BIBLE SCHOOLS
Click on each highlighted subtitle to read the entirety of each of the seventeen sections
HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram

Click on each highlighted subtitle to read the entirety of each of the seventeen sections


#2209

During my years of exposure to fundamentalist Christianity I learned that there are two scenarios.

Best case scenario:
In addition to all of the suffering non-Christians experience on this earth, in the afterlife, they will continue to suffer proportionately for all of the bad things they have done, before God wipes them out of existence.

Worst case scenario:
In the afterlife, all non-Christians (including Universalist Christians) will suffer forever in “hell.”

My friend Gary Amirault wrote
“When it comes to the final destination of the wicked, or unrighteous, Christians over the past two millenniums have divided themselves into three beliefs: 1. Eternal Torment, 2. Eternal Death (Annihilationism), and 3. Salvation of the whole world through Jesus Christ. Each of these views can be supported with Scriptures. Having been in all three groups, I know that there are sincere Bible centered believers in all of them. Obviously, all three cannot be true. Two of them have to be false.”

This is part of Gary’s introduction to his exposition called
Eternal Death (Conditional Immortality, Annihilation):
One Step Out of Hell; One Step Short of Glory
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/EternalDeath.html


#2210

RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

And without a parable spake not Jesus unto the multitude Matt 13:34

https://www.godfire.net/eby/abrahams.html


#2211

RICHARD CONDON

QUESTIONS WITHOUT ANSWERS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/QuestionsWithoutAnswers.html

From the introduction
“To those holding a limited view of God’s plan of salvation, they are truly Questions Without Answers, but, to those who rely on God’s Word, the answers become apparent as His truth is revealed to them.”

An important follow-up! - by Richard Condon
A REFUTATION AND A RESPONSE
http://www.tentmaker.org/contending.htm


#2212

THE SALVATION OF SATAN

BERT BAUMAN

“Our popular English Bible carries the name of an earthly monarch and so bears mute testimony to the influence the English King had over the translators. His directive to ‘do nothing that will disturb the tranquility of the church’, appears to have been taken very seriously by the translators since they often chose to interpret certain Greek words to support then current church doctrine, rather than render a faithful and consistent translation of the original.

I must confess to the admiration I feel for the absolute brilliance of Satan’s cunning and strategy. He has effectively polluted the entire fountain of truth from which Christians drink by causing confusion in the meaning of the single word aion, and its adjective aionios. It does not seem that this single word could be so important as to produce calamitous results, but it is just here that we see the utter genius of our adversary. Perhaps no other word, erroneously translated, could cause such widespread confusion and distortion of the truth. Practically all Christian doctrine is affected: the purposes of God, the nature of God, judgment, man’s destiny, and salvation – to say nothing of its effect upon our concept of the very God we worship and the way we treat one another as Christians, and the world at large.”

EDITOR’S ADDITION
AIÓN – AIÓNIOS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

BERT BAUMAN continues, “The doctrine of eternal torment is not found in the Scripture but the teaching of judgment certainly is. But why judgment? Is it a matter of God’s vengeance only? The scriptures suggest that God’s judgments are desirable but not necessarily enjoyable. It is never pleasant to be judged, but the fruit of judgment is desirable. Correction produces righteousness which yields the fruit of the Spirit. Therefore, while the chastening is unpleasant, the results are a blessing. Out of love for His creatures, God chastens, and corrects. He judges His creatures for their own good.

Did not Jesus teach us to love and do good even to our enemies? And while He admonishes us to be perfect even as our heavenly Father, would our Father be less than we are expected to be? Can love pour out vengeance for its own gratification, or judge to satisfy its own sense of justice? The result of God’s judgments must ultimately be profitable and beneficial to the one being punished, ‘for the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them’ (Luke 9:56).”

MARTIN ZENDER

“The world hates God because of the picture Christianity has painted of Him. The doctrine of eternal torment is a teaching of demons; a myth. It infects the world via a series of false expressions, printed onto tracts and forced into sermons. Those who espouse and teach it are in full heed of deceiving spirits, though they know it not.

There must be a remedy, and there is. 2Timothy 2:15, ‘Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth.’

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit of God is saying.”
Origin of Endless Punishment
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html

I believe that the reconciliation of Satan will be the greatest manifestation of God’s grace in action among the celestials
http://www.godfire.net/eby/reconcilehvns.html
.

#109 - UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION – MINNIE ALBERTSON

“The original scriptures taught final universal salvation; but translators usually rejected that theme. So they added to, or dropped words, to make the text conform to their wrong thinking. They could not eradicate the original theme; but we inherited their wrong thinking in our translations, and so we have the resulting direct contradictions. Unknown time periods they made endless.

Salvation is for angels also. ‘All things were created by Him, and for Him’ (Col. 1:16).
‘For Thy pleasure they are and were created (Rev. 4:11). So He ‘reconciles all things unto Himself, whether they be on earth, or things in the heavens (Col. 1:16-21).

Even the devil is not too evil to be corrected. Note who he belongs to, as well as those he deceives. ‘The deceived and the deceiver are His’ (Job 12:16). (end quote) (Job 12:16).

“God delights to reconcile all, whether those on the earth, or those in the heavens (Col. 1:20). Therefore there is no more reason to suppose that Satan is not included therein than that any other certain creature is not included therein. Therefore it must be that that notable creature who had rightly long been termed “the Adversary,” is very much included in the reconciliation of the universe, at which time this title (“Adversary” or “Satan”) necessarily will no longer apply, since he will be reconciled and be at peace.” (end quote)
Jim Coram, UNSEARCHABLE RICHES, March 2005.

“Ah, I long intently for that day when even the devil himself shall put away his pitchfork, hang up his horns, and come humbly and brokenly to the Father’s house! Does that startle you? How else could it be in that glad day when the Christ has finally RECONCILED ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH, including all the PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS OF THE HEAVENLY SPHERE!” (end quote)
RECONCILIATION IN THE HEAVENS – J. Preston Eby
http://www.godfire.net/eby/reconcilehvns.html

THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL – PAUL SIEGVOLCK
“Col. 1: 16-20 teaches us the extent of the reconciliation made by Christ, namely, that it extends itself over the whole creation. Therefore the fallen angels must also necessarily have their share in it, for they do incontestably belong to the invisible things created by Christ, and consequently to all things including the things in the heavens.

‘Jehovah is good to all: and His tender mercies are over all His works.’ Psalm 145:9
In this passage we are plainly told that the mercy of God, or His tender love, does not only extend itself to men, but universally towards all creatures that have their being and stand in need of mercy; and consequently also towards the fallen angels; which tender love of God must necessarily at last effect or bring about the restoration of all corrupt creatures, for it is not a weak or faint, but an almighty love.” (end quote)

#197 – AVITUS and BASIL, A GRECIAN (approx. 410 A.D.) together taught
“Future torments are not endless; for although they are called everlasting, yet that word in the original Greek, does not, according to its etymology, and its frequent use, signify endless, but answers only to the duration of an age; so that every sinner, after the purification of his conscience, shall return into the unity of the body of Christ.
The devil himself will at length be saved, when all his wickedness shall have been subdued. (end quote)

#173 – ERSKINE’S SKETCHES OF CHURCH HISTORY records the words of John Gasper Christian Lavater.
“God is not gracious in time and cruel through eternity. Ascribe not to God, what in a human judge all would account a defect in wisdom and goodness, the punishing for the sake of punishing. It is enough my Creator, Thou art love. Love seeketh not her own; Thou seekest the happiness of all, and shouldst Thou not then find what Thou seekest? Shouldst Thou not be able to do what Thou willest?

My prayers are comprehensive. I embrace in my heart all men; present and future times, and nations, yea Satan himself. I present them all to God, with the warmest wishes that He will have mercy on them all.” (end quote)

#137 – CLOUDS AND SUNSHINE – J.S. Taylor
I cannot believe that any being will exist in any part of the universe, so steeped in guilt and anguish (no, not Satan himself), as to be beyond the redeeming love and healing power of the Creator.

Oh, no; on the contrary, I believe that in this mysterious, but divinely ordained conflict of good and evil, the powers of light are everywhere slowly but surely gaining the ascendancy over the powers of darkness, and that it will continue to be so, even unto the perfect day; yes, that perfect day, wherein all these blessed victories over sin and ignorance shall have been consummated, these transformations completed, and no solitary stain of folly, guilt, or grief, be left to mar the lustre of the universe.” (end quote)

#194 – Gregory of Nyssa (335-390)

What is the scope of St. Paul’s dissertations? That the nature of evil shall, at length, be wholly exterminated, and divine immortal goodness embrace within itself every rational creature; so that of all who were made by God, not one shall be excluded from His kingdom. All the viciousness that like a corrupt matter is mingled in things shall be dissolved and consumed in fire; and everything shall be restored to its pristine state of purity.

In 1Cor. 15:22-28, the apostle Paul declares the extinction of all sin, saying that God will be All in all. For God will be truly All in all only when no evil shall remain in the nature of things. All evil must at length, be entirely removed from everything, so that it shall no more exist. For such being the nature of sin, that it cannot exist without a corrupt motive, it must, of course, be perfectly dissolved and wholly destroyed, so that nothing can remain a receptacle of it, when all motive and influences shall spring from God alone.

As the devil assumed a fleshly shape in order to ruin human nature, so the Lord took flesh for the salvation of man; and thus He blesses not only him who was ruined, but him also who led him into perdition; so that He both delivers man from sin, and heals the author of sin himself.” (end quote)

#196 – COMMENTARY ON THE NEW TESTAMENT – Jerome (347-420 A.D.)

"In the end or consummation of things, all shall be restored to their original state, and be again united in one body. We cannot be ignorant that Christ’s blood benefited the angels and those who are in hell; though we know not the manner in which it produced such effects. The apostate angels shall become such as they were created; and man, who has been cast out of paradise, shall be restored thither again. And this shall be accomplished in such a way, that all shall be united together by mutual charity, so that the members will delight in each other, and rejoice in each other’s promotion.

The apostate angels, and the prince of this world, though now ungovernable, plunging themselves into the depths of sin, shall, in the end, embrace the happy dominion of Christ and His saints."

#112 - THE WAY TO SALVATION IN THE CHRISTIAN GOSPEL – ERNEST L. MARTIN
“The traditional interpretation of an everlasting hell fire for sinners is as wrong and as senseless as believing that a three dollar bill is legal tender.

Ultimate salvation is something that has been secured by Christ for all mankind without the works of man (either good or bad) being involved in the issue. Everyone will finally be saved and brought to a full knowledge of the truth of God. All humans will finally be forgiven for their sins and they will become reconciled to God. All things in the heavens, on earth and under the earth (the angels who are kept in chains in the bowels of the earth) will one day proclaim the Lordship of Christ to the glory of God the Father.

But it will not only be all humans who are reconciled to God (now that God has reconciled Himself to mankind). The reconciliation will reach out to embrace all the hostile powers which have been out of harmony with God over the centuries. There is prophesied, according to Paul, a full reconciliation between all the antagonistic beings throughout the universe. Even they will be reconciled amongst themselves,
Between themselves and mankind, and between themselves and God the Father (Col. 1:20). All grievances, both divine and human, are disposed of through the life and death of Christ our Saviour. Peace has been, or will be established between all hostile parties throughout the universe.

TWO STUDIES ON HEAVEN AND HELL – A.E. KNOCH

“Love is the great thing. God loves me. Christ died for me to display God’s affection. It has filled my heart to overflowing. I have tried to share it with my fellows, but O, so feebly and faithlessly. Yet I have known no joy so pure and permanent, no bliss so ecstatic as comes to me when some straying sinner or seeking saint enjoys God’s love through some word of mine. What will it be to be perfectly equipped with inexhaustible supplies of power and grace and fare forth into the celestial realms as an ambassador of peace to proclaim the evangel of God’s limitless love to the celestials of the starry spheres? This — this will be happiness — and heaven.

Not only does Paul see the entire earth blessed and saved, but all reconciled whom God created – even the principalities and powers of the heavens (Col. 1:20). So great is the power of the cross!”

#129 – A POEM BY A.G. CAMPBELL

I deem they greatly err, who hold
That He Who made the human soul,
Will not its destinies control
For final good – but, wrathful, fold
It in the shrouds of hopeless woe,
Of deathless gloom, of quenchless fire,
The creatures of His vengeful ire,
Whence it can never ransom know.

So, in the world to come, His love
Shall freely unto all abound;
Even prisoners in the depths profound
Shall see His kind face beam above
Their dreary cells, and hear His voice,
Unheeded once, in mercy call, –
“Turn, turn to Me and live!” and all
Shall hear the summons and rejoice.

Lost men, lost angels, shall return, –
Satan himself be purified;
Death shall be conquered in his pride,
And hell’s fierce fires shall cease to burn.
Then shall our God be All in all –
His love bear universal sway;
His love preserves all souls for aye,
Nor shall the weakest fear a fall.


#2213

REVELATION 20:10
A frequently asked question regarding Revelation 20:10
How can there only be one age after the millennium when the devil, at the end of the thousand years, is to be tormented unto ages of ages?
Response by James Coram.
The problem here is a loose usage of terms. The thousand years of the saint’s reign does not constitute the entirety of the coming epochal eon or duration. The two do not end at the same time.
The period of time covered by the word eon depends upon the context. The expression “for the eon” does not necessarily include the entirety of the eon intended. While some seem to think that it must include the whole of a given eon, on the contrary, when an action occurs in an eon, it usually refers only to the rest of it. Our Lord spoke to the barren fig tree, “No longer, by any means, may fruit be coming from you for the eon.” Did He forbid fruit from the deluge to His coming? The tree was not even planted until a thousand years after the flood, and it did produce fruit in this eon, but was to do so no longer (Matt. 21:19; Mark 11:14; John 13:8; 1Cor. 8:13).
So also in the plural. “For the eons” does not denote the whole of them. Christ shall reign over the house of Jacob “for the eons,” yet only two of them will be left when the kingdom commences (Luke 1:33).
The same is true of the phrase “for the eons of the eons.” We read that the saints will be reigning for the eons of the eons (Rev. 22:5). But some of these saints will not be alive at the commencement of the millennial eon. We cannot delay this eon after the advent of the Messiah. Yet Daniel and the dead circumcision saints are not raised until seventy-five days later. Part of the eon will be past when they commence to reign with Him the thousand years (Rev. 20:6). The same usage is found with reference to the torment of the Adversary. Although the wild beast and the false prophet have been in the lake of fire a thousand years before him (Rev. 19:20), only one phrase is used for both: “the eons of the eons (Rev. 20:10). At that juncture, how much of that eon still remains, we do not know. But no matter how little, so it was that our Lord and His apostles spoke, and we should follow His example. This usage in Rev. 20:10 of the word eon does not affect its meaning. The limitations are in the context, not in the word.”
If you look in the Concordant Version of Rev 20:7 please look at the vertical line in front of “finished.” “And whenever the thousand years should be finished, Satan will be loosed out of his jail.” You could say: whenever the thousand years should be finishing . . . ." So Satan is cast into the lake of fire when the thousand years is finishing and through the new earth eon thus comprising the eons of the eons.
“And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons.” Revelation 20:10. Those who hold to the theory of “annihilation” contend that Satan is consumed in the lake of fire, ceasing to exist before the new earth begins. Yet the text is plain: he will be tormented during TWO eons; what remains of the “millennial” eon (which lasts a little over 1,000 years), and the final eon on the new earth. Likewise, we are told of those who “shall be reigning for the eons of the eons.” Rev. 22:5. That they shall be reigning on the new earth is apparent- Rev. 21:24. Likewise, Satan will be alive (and in torment) during the final eon.
Mistranslating “eons of the eons” as “forever and ever” solves nothing; it only feeds the vile theory of eternal torment, while generating considerable confusion. As for those vessels of indignation who are cast into the lake of fire near the end of the millennial eon, for them that lake is the second death. Yet they are not annihilated; their part is in that lake during the final eon- Rev. 21:8. They are not described as “nonexistent”, rather, they are described as being outside the holy city- Rev. 22:15. They will be dead until death is abolished at the consummation of the eons.

The Fall of Satan a theological fiction
http://www.martinzender.com/ZWTF/ZWTF2.5.pdf


#2214

SAUL OF TARSUS – ACTS 9:1-9

“Free willers” argue that Jesus chose Saul of Tarsus because He knew that Saul would accept Him.
Fact is, ANYONE would accept him under Saul’s predicament.
A light from heaven blinds him and he falls to the earth and hears a voice saying, “I am Jesus Whom you are persecuting.”
It is absurd to think that anyone would reply to Jesus, “Screw you Jesus Christ. I’m going to keep slaughtering your followers just like I did before.”

Few of us have a conversion experience as dramatic as Saul’s but it was just as surely a product of God laying hold on us by His sovereign grace and CAUSING Jesus to be choice in our heart. It is impossible to give ALL the glory to God and avoid self-righteousness when we claim that it was not God Who CAUSED our new mental preference.

HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE - James Coram
CHOOSING WHAT IS CHOICE
http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/HisAchievement009.html
“No one to whom Christ is not yet choice can choose Christ.
And Christ cannot be choice to anyone to whom He has not yet been made choice.
When He is made choice He becomes choice and so is choice; or to say the same thing, He is chosen.
This first act of the believer in which Christ is consciously chosen, is merely a consequence of his new mental preference which has been graciously granted to him by God.”


#2215

THE SECOND DEATH

THE JUST JUDGMENT OF GOD – JAMES CORAM
“The main point which we seek to impress upon our readers is to accept God’s declaration that, for those who are judged before the great white throne, the lake of fire is the second death, not a second lifetime.

While the ‘injury’ (literal translation) sustained by those who are cast into the lake if fire (in Revelation 20:14,15) will be fatal (since to these the lake of fire is the second death), it will not be permanent. We may be certain that this is the case, for, at the consummation, death will be abolished and all will be vivified, that God may be All in all. God is the Saviour of all mankind, and this includes all who enter the second death.”


#2216

SEQUENTIAL LOGIC
Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.
It is true that there are things that God cannot do.
For example, God cannot lie. But He doesn’t want to lie.
But He DOES want to save ALL mankind.

SEQUENTIAL LOGIC - Kenneth Larsen

Can God do anything He wishes? Yes. “All that Yahweh delights He does,
In the heavens and on earth, In the seas and every abyss” Ps. 135:6.
See Matt. 19:25, 26.

Does God wish all to be saved? Yes. “Who will have all men to be saved
and to come to the knowledge of the truth” 1 Tim. 2:4. See Acts 4:12.

Therefore, it is apparent that God is able to save what was lost, and
since He desires to save all that was lost, He has promised to do just
that. Phil. 2:9-11; Col. 1:20; 1 Cor. 15:20-28.

Faith in God’s promises,

And an acquaintance with His character and power,
KNOWING THE REAL JESUS
God is Love: God Is Love! *The Power of God’s Love;*Love Your Enemies! Knowing The Real Jesus
https://www.godfire.net/eby/godislove.html

and sequential logic,

and THE HISTORY OF THE EARLY CHURCH
Universalism: The Prevailing Doctrine Of the Christian Church During Its First Five-Hundred Years
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html

And they were reading the Bible in its original language!

all support universal reconciliation.

Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.


#2217

should and may – James Coram

As to the word “should” in Phil 2:10,11 and the “may” of 1Cor. 15:28, it is not the should or may of doubt but is a dependent clause based upon the grammar of the subjunctive.
For instance, a clear example of the subjunctive of “may” and “should” is when I state, “I have a pen in my hand. I will loosen my grip on the pen so that it may or should be falling.” The falling of the pen is dependent on my loosing it. It definitely will fall should I loosen my grip on it. There is no doubt in the “may” or “should.”

Now, looking at the passage; “Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with a Name that is above every name, that in the Name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11.
Every knee bowing and every tongue acclaiming is dependent upon

  1. Christ going to the cross (verse 8), and
  2. God gracing Him with a Name above every name.
    Since these have taken place, all WILL bow the knee, and their tongue WILL acclaim Jesus as their Lord.

#2218

SIN

JUSTIFICATION – DONALD G. HAYTER

“Although God introduced sin through the agency of His creatures, yet He did not sin in so doing. For it was no mistake, no failure of His. It was in accord with His intention, and it will be justified by the beneficial results obtained through its agency.
God is justified in all He does, for His final intention to glorify Himself and bless all of His creatures is the dominating purpose which adds luster to all His eonian operations.
In the brilliant glory of His ultimate, the most somber and gloomy features of earth’s history are transformed into a brilliant display of His power, wisdom, and love.

During the final eons, every creature in the heavens, and on earth, and under the earth, will have learned of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the depths of the Father’s love revealed in them. And every knee will bow to Him Who died, acclaiming Him Lord, for the glory of God the Father. Very feebly we can enter into the joy, the satisfaction, the thankfulness that will be His as He views the vast potentials of love and adoration that will be pulsing within the heart of everyone.

Thus will all ultimately be justified. God’s matchless wisdom, serving in the cause of His love, has produced a method of salvation that calls forth the adoring wonder of our hearts. What a God we have!”


#2219

That’s a tough one for me to swallow, Rodger, especially the first paragraph.
But I do thank you for posting it!


#2220

Here’s how Ray Prinzing (my earthly hero and mentor) puts it Dave.

THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL – RAY PRINZING
“God is sovereign, and He controls all the interaction of evil and good, and causes all to redound to His own glory. It is not – what was lost by the fall was to be regained by redemption, BUT by the interaction of FALL AND REDEMPTION, God achieves greater, wiser, nobler, and higher goals for everyone than by the Adamic race remaining in its pristine state.
Evil and good are synchronized to accomplish God’s will and purpose, so that the ultimate goal shall reveal all evil transformed back into good, and all negation cancelled out by GOOD. Evil is allowed for wise ends, and when these are secured it must cease to exist, for God will restore all things into good. HE controls all the interaction between evil and good until His purpose of the ages is fulfilled. Then shall God be All in all.”

Also I found this very helpful along the same line.
THE PURPOSE OF EVIL – A.P. Adams
http://thegloryrd.com:80/apadams/evil.html