The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Suggestions on Revising TULIP for Reformed Universalism

Here’s a revision I once saw, but I’m not taking any responsibility for it:

[size=150]Totally depraved doctrine.
Uncertain salvation.
Luck of the draw.
Irresistible damnation.
Persecution of the saints. [/size]

Maybe this should be discussed on the other thread? (Seems more topically appropriate. I’ll repost your comment there.)

Most Christian Universalists believe in one or another variety of definition (accepted among Calvs and Arms) of Total Depravity, btw. Among Calvs the topic becomes naturally connected with the state of the non-elect compared to the state of the elect (whether at any given time or altogether), and there are variant beliefs on that connection, too.

I like Psalmist’s Kath revision of TULIP, btw. :smiley:

The revision Paidion found, not so much. I don’t think it’s fair to Calv doctrine at a couple of points, and is needlessly provocative. Accurate to how we ourselves feel sometimes, no doubt, but not a succinct way of describing what we believe. (And we wouldn’t want Calvs or Arms dissing us like that.)

As for DAISY… hm…

Dead in our sins,
All are atoned by Christ’s
Irresistible grace.
Sooner or later,
YHWH we’ll praise!

I love it! I actually like it better than TULIP. Plus, from what I can see, it describes biblical truth quite nicely. :smiley:

Plus we can ask which flower formulation better fits Christ’s own flower analogy: how much more does your Father in heaven care about you!

Sorry, I know that I am missing the point of this thread, but in my opinion, Jacobus Arminius did a great job at revising TULIP. :laughing:

TUIP?

(Is that the sound Spiderman’s web-shooters make?)

:slight_smile:

Excellent, Jason! Very creative with that troublesome “Y.” :slight_smile:

Hmmm…I’m up for the challenge! Let’s see…

Do
Aall
Inherit
Salvation?
Yesssssssss!!!

:laughing: I love it!! Both of youse! (Jason and Psalmist) And speaking of “youse,” isn’t a daisy a far more apt picture of the body of Christ than the beautiful but singular tulip? As a composite flower, the daisy is the many who are made one in Him. That would be US! Thank you for my daisies. I shall treasure them always. :slight_smile:

Love in Him, Cindy