Why did Paul use "Accursed" and not "Kolasis" punishment

[Revival]

So you are acknowledging now that {kolasis} is not necessarily the same as hopeless punishment? Because you went to a lot of trouble in another thread to instruct us on how {kolasis} was supposed to mean exactly the same thing between Matt 25 and 1 John 4–before arriving at the conclusion that at 1 John 4 it is not really punishment per se, not from God there, and not hopeless at all.

Meanwhile, do you understand the meaning of being anathematized (which is the word for accursed there)?–is it an intrinsically hopeless eternal death wish, or not?

If not, then there is no good reason for you to bring it up, since Paul doesn’t have to include the concept of punishment (hopeless or otherwise) in wishing that he could be anathema from Christ (if possible) for the sake of his non-Christian brethren if that would help save any. He could be punished in anathema from Christ or not, it’s beside the point.

If so, then you will have to claim by the same token that St. Peter put an intrinsically hopeless eternal death wish on himself when he anathematized himself at Mark 14:71. It’s the same term as a verb.

Never denied that “Kolasis” is not necessarily hopeless punishment. But in classical Greek the word “kolasis” was used interchangeably to mean hopeless punishment. The word “kolasis” means “torment” in both Matt 25 and 1 Jn 4. Also “timoria” punishment is used in Heb 10:29.

If Paul really believed in UR there is no reason for him to use “anathema” from Christ. Mark 14:?

The Greek word for “accursed” is “Anathema” from the same root verb anatithemai or anatithemi (394), to separate as anethema, a consecrated gift. A gift given by vow or in fulfillment of a promise, and devoted to destruction for God’s sake (Num 21:1-3; Duet 13:16-18) therefore, given up to the curse and destruction, accursed. (Gal 1:8-9; 1 Cor 12:3; 16:22). Spiros Zodhiates TH.D.

[Lefein]

Devoted to destruction for God’s sake?

“If you lose your life [if your soul is destroyed] for my sake, you shall find it”
-Jesus

[Sherman]

It seems to me that Paul’s use of *anathama *in this verse actually affirms him believing in UR. He’s saying that if it would do any good, if it would reconcile his brothers now, he’d suffer being cut off from Christ now. And he can say this because he trusts in God to ultimately reconcile everyone, to ultimately save him. Faith in Jesus to save all fills one with tremendous faith in Jesus to save one’s self no matter what. Faith to save is a much more powerful motivator than fear of not being saved. Faith and love go together just like fear and hate. Religions based on fear also promote hate.

But primarily this verse seems to me to be hyperbole, overstatement to make a point. Paul loves his kinsman tremendously and would gladly suffer anything if it would bring them into the glorious freedom of Christ. It’s not meant to be understood technically, but passionately.

[JasonPratt]

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