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Indeed :smiley:

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Well, I think they’re more than just mediocre, I think they’re brilliant, as Ron Weasley would say :wink:
And I think there’s a reason why they are so beloved by so many, including kids and kids at heart (like myself), but anyways, I won’t say they’re the greatest books ever written, but I think they are certainly wonderful, like their spiritual predecessors, The Lord Of The Rings and The Chronicles Of Narnia, but we can agree to disagree :wink:
And hey, at least you’ve made the attempt to get published, I’m too lazy to even put a book together :laughing:
But perhaps someday I’ll give it the old college try :wink: And you may yet hit the jackpot some day :wink:

Yeah, I bet it would take me at least a couple months to plow through :wink: Yeah, I remember reading somewhere, maybe on Tentmaker or something, that he was a universalist… or if not that, he was most certainly a more grace-based sort of believer… I hear he was a guy with a lot of hang-ups and struggles, which he was very much aware of, and he knew how much grace he needed… sounds like someone I know, that I see in the mirror on occasion :wink:
I have read one excerpt from The Brothers Karamazov, namely the famous Grand Inquisitor story, which I remember being thought-provoking, and the ending of it was beautiful :slight_smile:
If I ever get around to reading the whole thing, I’ll let you know what I think :wink:

Can’t say I’ve read either Dickens or Austen, but I was thinking someday of reading at least one or two of Dickens’ books, just to give him a try (I was thinking of checking out A Christmas Carol sometime for starters, as it’s fairly short :wink: and maybe Great Expectations, as that is supposed to be his finest work, or so I’ve heard :slight_smile:), and then take a crack at reading Sense and Sensibility and/or Pride and Prejudice someday, as that would score some points with my wife to be :wink:
I’d rather read those than read the Twilight series :laughing:

I read Huck Finn in high school, and enjoyed it very much :slight_smile: I may try to read some more Twain someday, as I dig his style, with that fine mix of humor and profundity :wink:

And I hope to get around to reading Moby Dick someday as well, as it’s supposed to be one of the greatest novels ever written… and I’ve heard his short story Billy Budd is pretty good too :slight_smile:

Well, it was well-written, I’ll say that, but I found it really disturbing…
It is a powerful allegory of the rise of a totalitarian state, to be sure, but there was no hope in it, and I always like to read stories that have at least glimmers of hope in them, not because I’m naive, but because I believe there really is hope, and I’d like to read stories that reflect that…
I can handle dark stuff, I just prefer it when there’s a little light thrown in, especially at the end :wink:
Check out The Road by Cormac McCarthy (if you haven’t read that yet, I’d highly recommend it, as it would most definitely be right up your alley… very dark and gritty and but also very moving and beautiful) to see what I mean. :wink:

Welcome, you’ll love his stuff :slight_smile:

Yeah, Simon and Garfunkel are pretty awesome :slight_smile: I like their song The Sound Of Silence, among others :slight_smile:
And you’re right, Dylan’s voice has a certain quality to it that’s endearing in a way, kind of like Tom Petty (not sure if you’ve heard of him), but yeah, it’s not very melodic… he doesn’t have the voice of an angel, for sure… well, maybe an old, worn down angel who’s crash landed on earth and smoked one too many cigarettes :wink: :laughing:

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The same to you, my brother across the pond :wink:

Matt

Matt

You are a diamond amongst the ashes. God bless you and keep you.

J

So . . . every time I turn around lately, it seems, I keep hearing about The Brothers Karamazov. I have never read a book by one of those Russian novelists. I figured they were no doubt great art and literature and all that, but probably profoundly depressing and boring and l.o.n.g! But okay, I get the picture eventually, so I’ve downloaded and begun reading what was advertised as the best English translation available at present. So far, it’s a smooth, engaging, and enjoyable read. Of course, it being in my Kindle, I don’t have the added intimidation factor of being able to see just how long it really might be . . . .

From the forward (by the translators) it sounds like Fyodor himself had a life worth novelizing. If he displays a deep understanding of the dark side, it’s probably because he’s been there. I’m not sure I want to be THAT good – or at least to pay the price to be that good. I’ve read, like 5-6 chapters . . . I must be a fourth of the way through, right? Of course the Kindle says 2%, and that includes the table of contents, forward, etc. . . . At least so far the chapters are short. I always feel I MUST read to the end of a chapter – my husband finds this to be a most puzzling and bewildering flaw in my character. :laughing: Really, though, He’s the OCD one. Not me, at all. :wink:

About the diamond from among the ashes . . . here is a poem for you, Matt. See if you know who wrote it. :wink:

All that is gold does not glitter
Nor all those that wander are lost
The old that is strong does not wither
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be kindled
Light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall be blade that was broken
The crownless again shall be king.

I did that from memory, so if I’ve gotten a few words wrong, I hope you’ll forgive me. So . . . do you know? (I’ll bet you do.)

Greetings …

Cindy here is my poem via Reflecting upon the one you posted ...   :smiley:  :smiley: 

All that glitters as glorified living
Loses luster while not seeking
Youthful brilliance encased within Old
neither withers even tho touched by Cold

From ‘spark’ of Life a bonfire blazes
eerie shadows dissipate with Morning light
Broken Lives find Renewed Hope
bodies transfigured with radiant Celestial light
embracing each other with love n grace
flowing from The Father, The Son & The Spirit
within the Grand Dance
Eternal Renewal within our Celestial Lives

 all the best!

Hi Cindy

Just a quick note to say bravo, and don’t give up on The Brothers Karamazov. It does, as I’m sure you know, actually run to about 900 pages in paperback :open_mouth: :smiley: , but I guarantee you’ll be so glad you read it if you do. And while of course we shouldn’t boast about such things (but we’re going to, right?! :laughing: ), you *will *be joining a select club, a bit like the club of people who’ve completed other great feats of endurance, like running a marathon (which I haven’t; two half marathons were enough to nearly kill me).

I got into Dostoyesvsky when I read *Crime and Punishment *years ago. Sure, he’s not like reading Harry Potter. But he draws you so deeply into the psyche of his characters, creates a fictional world that is so compelling, after a while you don’t *want *the books to end. And a sprawling family saga like *Karamazov *is like a Russian version of, I don’t know, *The Waltons *or something. After a while you get sucked in, and you find youself really liking and caring about this family. One thing to watch out for that flummoxed me a bit - all the main characters have got about eight different names each! Well, three or something, but it is a bit confusing at first … :smiley:

Tell you what, I’ll make a deal with you. If you read *Karamazov *and tell me what you thought of it, I’ll finish Moby Dick, which I’ve been promising to do for the last 30 years! :smiley:

Cheers

Johnny

:laughing: Johnny – you’re such a card.

I’m sure I’ll finish it as I’m enjoying it very much. Something to pass the time whilst walking on the elliptical. I have to use the elliptical even though it isn’t cold yet, because if I go walking out of doors, I get sucked up looking at rocks and bits of moss, etc. and that doesn’t count as exercise. Besides, it takes half the day by the time I get home. But who likes the elliptical, really? So the brothers are saving me from my otherwise intractable boredom. Only I have to keep picking up the Kindle to read the footnotes or the odd definition. I’m bound to be WAY smarter once I’ve finished reading it!

And I too have read almost halfway through Moby Dick. Some day perhaps . . . but I’m having trouble with all the boring stuff . . . If he wrote it today, I am absolutely certain he would have been forced to self-publish or edit the heck out of it.

And Hothorse! Great interpretation/expansion of this poem by . . . C’mon, Matt – who wrote it? I know you’ve read it. It’s a chestnut of a question. :wink:

You’re too kind, Johnny :slight_smile: The same to you, bro :slight_smile:

:laughing: Sounds like me :wink:

J . R . R . T O L K I E N . . . easy :wink: :laughing: Lovely poem, that one :slight_smile: (And I think it was ‘a fire shall be woken’, but hey, that’s pretty good from memory :wink:)

By the way, my mom has a bumper-sticker on her car that says ‘not all who wander are lost’ :laughing:

Good stuff, Jim :smiley:

And hey guys, now you’re making me want to read the classics… just imagine an advertisement for the classics…

'Read the classics, like the epic and gargantuan Brothers Karamazov, by that fine Russian author, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, or that white old whale of a novel, Moby Dick, by the venerable Herman Melville, and your brain will grow twice as large! :smiley:

Do you want to find out What The Dickens it is about Dickens? Then read Great Expectations, and have all your expectations fulfilled! :mrgreen:

And would you like to find out why Jane Austen is a very sensible reading choice? Are you willing to set your chauvinist prejudices aside to discover the wonders of fine romance? Or will you at least read it to score points with the ladies?

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Sail on down the Missouri with Jim (yes, Jim! :smiley:), then feel free to try some of our tasty bacon on the Animal Farm… and it’s a classic dish, folks, and by classic I mean older than 1984 :wink:

Be sure to read the classics! :smiley:

Well, something like that anyway, I’m not much of a salesman :laughing: