This is from NIV: John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die (2nd death); John 11:26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die (2nd Death, the lake of fire has no power over them). Do you believe this?” – is this revelation true or he is talking about the BODILY DEATH? i cannot match this verse with bodily death.
above is not 100% right and what about below:
John 11:25-26
"Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die (physical bodily death), he shall live (the first resurrection).“And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die (the 2nd death). Do you believe this?”
In these verses (John 11:25-26), Jesus is simply confirming the words of Martha in John 11:24, - Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
A true believer, God’s Elect, when he dies ( physical bodily death), he will live again when he is resurrected in the First Resurrection at the return of Christ. Every person who lives and believes in Jesus Christ will never die the Second Death in the Lake of Fire. As Jesus Christ says in Revelation 2:11,
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”
Only true believers in this life before the return of Christ are ‘overcomers’ and they shall not be hurt by the second death. They will not have to go through the Lake of Fire Judgement to experience the second death.
I had the same questions about this passage. My conclusions (such as they are, and always subject to improving upon):
1.) Jesus had to be pushed to even concede that his friend was dead. “Our friend Lazarus sleeps.” Finally when it was clear that His disciples weren’t going to understand unless He used their (our) terminology: “Lazarus is dead, and for your sakes I’m glad I wasn’t there, but let us go to him.” (I’m quoting from my sometimes imperfect memory here.)
2.) When met by Martha, He says, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. And he who lives and believes in Me shall never die.”
Jesus cannot be talking only about physical death. Lazarus believed in Him while he lived and he is physically dead as Jesus says these words. But Jesus had not yet gone to the cross, so maybe that makes a difference in the post-death experience of Lazarus; I don’t know. Mary and Martha believed in Him, and they are in their tomb – probably the same tomb as Lazarus eventually returned to. So they all and everyone else alive at that time with the exception of Jesus, the Firstborn from among the dead ones, are physically dead. (Well, some would argue about John, but let’s not go THERE!)
I believe that Jesus is ignoring physical death altogether in this statement. When a person puts his trust in Jesus, he comes alive to God. Though he were dead, yet shall he live. The person who comes alive to God will never die. He will not require the radical surgery of the LoF. Those thrown into the LoF die to this world. Those who have already believed, have already died to this world, even as they (we) walk in it. Believing in Jesus and trusting oneself to Him IS a sort of death and rebirth; hence baptism, which makes this largely unseen and unsensed (for most of us) passage from death to life more concrete for us.
Since the saying would be blatantly contradictive to the situation, Jesus must be talking about two different deaths. The first death is physical death, the second death is the second death (whatever spiritual death involves after the resurrection).
So it would be “lives even though he dies” meaning the first type of death like Lazarus, which Lazarus had to die again eventually; and “shall never die” meaning the second type of death, since the second death doesn’t touch those who already have eonian life.
yes, but what is the difference of after life and resurrection? he said “Not every one that says unto me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that does the will of my father which is in heaven. Many [note the word MANY, not the FEW] will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?’ And then will I profess unto them, ‘I never knew you: depart from me, you that commit iniquity’.” so i think they won’t see anything UNTIL resurrection hmm? many is saying HADES means GRAVE, even Muslims, they are saying grave punishment is temporary, and it was told in Quran indirectly.
i think first verse is talking about the hypocrites, real purgatory (but for all) will be lake of fire i think, and 2nd one is talking about the people who are keeping the commandments, ?
Let me address the first verse: “Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord” will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.” To the Jews, who were waiting for an earthly Messiah who would deliver them from their oppressors (at the time, Rome), the kingdom of heaven was an earthly kingdom in which the Messiah, under God, was king and they His most privileged subjects.
Jesus was bringing a kingdom of heaven on earth, but not in the way they expected. His kingdom is “among you” or “within you,” depending on how you translate it. Perhaps it is both. First I think it’s important to understand what is meant by the kingdom of heaven. We in the west have traditionally substituted “go to heaven when you die,” but that’s not what it means. For us, here on the earth (which IS where the kingdom of heaven is just now (in addition to the celestial heaven of course)), the kingdom of heaven is the rulership of God in our lives. If we do not subject ourselves to Him, then we are not His subjects (yet) and are not under His kingship. Therefore we are not in the kingdom of heaven. If we do not do the will of the Father in heaven, we are not entering the kingdom, for living according to His will IS the kingdom.
Now read it: “Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord” will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.”
Of course you can’t enter the kingdom of heaven if you don’t obey the King. Obeying the King IS the kingdom and obeying the King IS the entering into the kingdom.
As for the parable of the Sheep and the Goats, I did a couple of blog posts on this, and it would be easier for you to read my thoughts on this parable there (since I’ve already written them down there) journeyintotheson.com/2012/0 … -the-kids/ There are three short posts and this is the link to the first one. You can get to the second and third ones via the link at the top and bottom of each post.
Let me just say a quick word about many and few. This was one of the thoughts that led me to UR. God promised to Abraham children as many as the stars of the sky and the sands of the seashore, yet Jesus said that the road that leads to life is narrow and difficult and few are going that way. How can both of these things be? I believe that in one sense the Calvinists are right to say there is an elect people of God. Not elect in that they are the only ones to be saved, but elect in that they are among the first fruits. Jesus is the Firstborn from among the dead, and He rose on the morning of the feast of First Fruits. The church was born on the day of Pentecost (the Feast of Weeks), which is a kind of second First Fruits offering. There are two more harvests to come, but later in the season. The first is Barley; the second and third are Wheat and Grapes.
There are few; a remnant; included in the First Fruits offering. These are the vessels of honor; those who run the race so as to win the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus – the ministry of reconciliation. That said, if the First Fruits are holy, so is the rest of the harvest (the lump, as of dough). You don’t just collect the firstfruits and then burn the field. The entire harvest is the Lord’s, and who will gather it in but those who have won the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus? I have some posts on this too, but what I’ve said here should be sufficient. I’ve already bent your ear quite long enough! Let me know if it’s any help to you or if you need more info. I or someone else will be glad to do our best to point you in the right direction to get the answers you’re seeking.
Oh now I understood what you are saying, yes i was doubt on this in my heart, this is the truth, Lord is speaking to us,
I don’t know why my detection is Low,
Let me know if it’s any help to you or if you need more info. I or someone else will be glad to do our best to point you in the right direction to get the answers you’re seeking.