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Anyone knows what is the Mark of the Beast now?

Hi Pearl :slight_smile:

Nice to meet you and welcome to the site:

Where and how do you see it as fulfilled today? Is the mark of the beast and it’s significance a prophecy of these times, or of these times only? Doe shave a more general meaning throughout history? Did it also have a meaning specific to the first century? I guess those are my questions after reading your blog -

Blessings to you

Dick

Don’t you think it would have been a good idea to tell everybody that these interesting and informative articles were in fact written by your wife, Obadiah?

Or maybe you “only just” read them, like you say you did her article on the kings of the earth, even though it was written some 18 months ago?

:confused:

On the number 666 - I’ve also heard/read that since numbers corresponded to letters, 666 spelled “Nero” - see here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast

John,
I don’t know why you are so suspicious, but the date on the blog has nothing to do with it’s release.
I have many blogs that are started but are not yet ready for release. Blogspot dates them the day they are started.
The date of that article’s release, is here : 4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/there-is-new-article-who-are-kings-of.html
Being the mate of someone anointed, does not necessitate that they be spineless and devoid of personal opinion.
My husband and I are able to engage in extensive discussion of what I am being helped to perceive. His resulting convictions stemming from my Bible-backed perceptions, move him to share his Faith and understanding. Who here is not doing that? Is a vicious backlash really called for?

Here’s an excerpt from the 666 article, for those who would rather not sort through the long intro…

Therefore, these 24 elders in heaven, are representative heads of the 144,000 priests and “12 tribes” of spiritual “Israel” (Rev.7:4; Rom.2:28,29; Gal.3:29; Matt.21:43; John15:5,8; Matt.7:20).

Now it’s time to do some “calculating”.
How many of the 144,000 does each “elder” represent?
The calculation is…
144,000 divided by 24, is 6,000.
So, each elder represents 6,000.
Each “witness/head of truth” (Rev.14:5; Isa.43:10,21; 1Pet.2:9) represents and stands for 6,000.
Why would this be…since each tribe consists of 12,000? (Rev.7:4-8)
Apparently, this is because there are two representatives (witnesses/heads/elders) over each tribe.
12tribes X 2witnesses(elders) = 24 elders
Why would that be?
Well, the Bible makes this reason clear…
(2Cor.13:1; Deut.19:15; 17:6; Matt.18:16; 26:60,61,62; Heb.10:28,29; Numbers35:30; 1Kings21:10,13; John8:17,18; Rev.11:3)
Two witnesses are always needed to establish truth. Truth is the entire essence of
this holy temple priesthood.
The 144,000 become sharers in the human personification of truth perfected (Rev.14:4,5).
Every duty these priests perform is based upon this pattern of truth…two witnesses.
How does this figure into our “calculation”?
As we have seen…these conquering priests pattern their dispensing of truth in perfection, and always by means of two witnesses.
(This will be studied in more depth in a future addition to the article
about the “Trees of Life”, and their monthly “crops” of “fruit”.)
Therefore, these two elders (two witnesses per each tribe), represent 12,000 priests, or one tribe. Yes…the number ascribed two faithful witnesses (or the number for truth), is twelve; or multiples of 12. It is derived from two witnesses. Each witness is represented by six (6+6=12) (144,000 is 12X12)
(Mark3:14,15; Luke22:30; Acts26:7; James1:1; John8:18; 11:9; Acts1:15; 7:8; Rev.7:5-8; 12:1; Rev.21:12,14,16,21; 22:2)
The entire Kingdom arrangement is based upon truth, two witnesses, and it’s symbolic number 12 (6+6).
I find interesting confirmation, in the fact that God’s Word contains 66 books.

**The fact that the “two-horned” beast has TWO horns like a lamb (Rev.13:11), yet “speaks like a dragon”, indicates that it appears to be true witnesses/prophet, who is imitating Christ;
but it is really an agent of Satan’s lies.

If Truth (two witnesses) is represented by twelve (6+6), then can you see that each single witness is represented by six?

What if we only had one witness? Would that establish truth?
(Deut.17:6b; 19:15; John7:18; 5:31; 8:13,14,18; Num.35:30) No…one witness is as good as a lie. The number 6, would represent a single, false, witness.
This is brought out for us when we compare Ezra2:13 and Neh.7:18.
Do you perceive the lesson in those two scriptures?
When there is only one witness for a fact, which do we believe?
We should not really put faith, in either. Two witnesses with the same story, are needed.

Now that we have calculated the meaning of the number 6, let’s return to Rev.13:18.
The number of the wild beast, and the man of lawlessness, is 666.
Does this interpretation follow through?
Remember the traits of both the “man”, the false prophet, and the “wild beast”?
(see Rev.13:6,14; 2Thess.2:9,10,11,12)
All who receive the mark of the beast on their forehead, believe and become slaves to lies.
(pearl-forehead.blogspot.com)
All who receive the mark on their right hand, have their willpower enslaved to lies (Isa.44:20; Psalm144:8,11; Rev.13:16; 2Thess.2:9; 2Tim.3:13; Rev.16:13)
They also become false witnesses of false witnesses, as seen in the scripture below.

We do receive confirmation of the meaning of 666, as representing slaves of deception…

Rev.16:13 “And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.”

“Three…inspired expressions…expressions inspired by demons”. 666
The only unclean expressions of demons, are lies.
(2Chron.18:20,21; Rev.16:13; John8:44)
Three…a full amount of false witnesses to establish a lie, (2Cor.13:1)
causing it to prevail (2Chron.18:21; Rev.12:9; Rev.13:8; 2Thess.2:11,12)
Those three lying witnesses are mentioned here…the “dragon, the wild beast, and the false prophet”. Here we see who is behind the lies of the wild beast and man of lawlessness (2Thess.2:9; Rev.13:2). Lies are their wisdom, power, and riches (“gold”) (1Kings10:14; Isa.28:15).
We must only accept “gold” refined by fire (Rev.3:18) from Christ himself (Matt23:10; John7:18).

Why are the lies (6’s) described as “frog-like”?
In all creation, the life cycle of frogs is the most evolutionary. The change it’s life undergoes from invisible egg to land reptile, is drastic. Without fully knowing about this life cycle, we might think that one stage of it’s life is an entirely different species. Yes…the frog starts out barely noticeable. If one gave it’s development constant attention, the gradual change would be imperceptible.
If the tiny “egg” (lie…6) were called “Truth”, those enslaved through it’s progression would still call the full-grown Frog, Truth. (6+60+600=666)
Yes, Satan and these demons know human nature. They have brought about these lies so gradually, that it has gone undetected by those mislead by them. Those who are perishing and enslaved to the wild beast, still feel that these obvious lies, are truth. (Rev.16:13) Their foreheads have been branded like slaves, to lies (1Tim.4:1,2; Rev.13:16).
No one can “buy or sell” spiritual provisions, unless their mind and work is branded by the demonic lies of the Beast (Rev.13:16,17; 3:18). All others, will be “killed” (Rev.13:15; 11:7).
These demonic lies will cover the land…just as the plague of frogs did, in Egypt (Exo.8:1,2,3,4,5,6).

For those of us who know the Bible’s meaning of 666…
we are not mislead. We can see these full grown lies, for what they really are.
1Thess.5:4,5,6

Hello “Sobo”,
Thanks for the cordial welcome. I appreciate it.
Organized religious tyranny has been the sealing test of Chosen Ones since that generation began,
just as it was for Christ. “The world” is always against the messengers of divine truth (John15:19; 17:14). That “world” is primarily religious agents of Satan (2Cor.11:14,15; Matt.24:4,5,24,25; Rev.13:7)
This testing (Luke22:31; Acts14:22; Rom.8:17) comes to a conclusion previous to the “end” (1Pet.4:7; Matt.24:3,6,8) in what’s referred to a final battle of a long war (Rev.16:14,16; Gen.3:15; Rev.19:11,14,19; 12:7,10,11).
To pinpoint the location (situation/climate) where this is taking place, would require you to discern where the warriors engaged in this spiritual battle, are located (2Cor.10:4,5; Eph.6:12).
Do these scriptures address your question?

Hi I’ll have a ponder about this - certainly I think organised religious tyranny is meant by the Beast - but I’m not counting the end times clock as it were (for no one knows the day or hour). I think the enforced tribute by state religion in the Roman Empire is meant as the original context. You had to pay tribute to Caesar under Nero and Domitian or else you became a noncitizen/non-person without rights. But all forms of religious and ideological tyranny come under the mark of the beast including tyranny by authoritarian sects and churches - which seems to be a moving subtext in your posts. I understand you’ve had a horrible time with the JWs - and my heart goes out to you.

In Christ our Hen

Dick :slight_smile:

Hello Pearl

I apologise for misconstruing the date of your blog article, and for the implication that Obadiah was being less than honest in referring to it.

However, don’t you think it odd, to say the least, that he chose not to disclose his relationship to you originally. Hardly a vicious backlash, I wouldn’t have thought.

I must say I am a little perplexed that the fruit of your being anointed has resulted in such a load of absolute cobblers as you have posted on this thread. Ho hum.

Dear Sobo,
Sorry, I edited after you read.
(Addition to last post)

Also,
Regarding no one knowing the day and hour,
we are still expected to discern the “season” (Matt.16:2,3; Luke19:44)
The final slaves also face an inspection (Matt.25:19) which they will fail to pass,
if they do not discern the season…being asleep and drunk.

Johnny,
I apologize for my lacking sophistication, but I have no clue as to what you mean by “a load of absolute cobblers”.
If you could kindly explain, I might be enabled to reply…if that’s what you wish.

I still don’t see the justification for accusing someone publicly as being a covert manipulative liar,
because they don’t disclose up front, their intimate relationships to the WWW.
Obadiah is trying to offer (for no one’s sake but the reader), information without inciting unfounded prejudice.
Jaded prejudice seems impossible to prevent in some people.

Could I have hidden our relationship? Did I ?
“Obadiah” is known on a number of forums as my husband.
He chose to register here as “Obadiah”, not some other misleading alias, which he could have if his motives were as you insinuate.

I’m sorry that you seem to be rejecting the information, even previous to a full consideration of the cited scriptures.
I wish you peace none the less, as I am fully aware that my efforts are not appreciated by most.
I did not comment here only for you. This thread was initiated by an open question.
If you respond similarly within such a thread, I promise not to rip your reply to shreds because of my instant opinion of you as a person,
or because your response doesn’t pleasure me. Can we please call a truce? “Live and let live”?

Well - discerning the season is knowing the hour of the Lord’s visitation? People in Jesus time expected to see him coming in a cretin way - but they misread the signs. He came quietly - his judgment was the cross and the resurrection. Personally I discern the Lords’ visitation today in the face of the outsider the stranger and the victim. When he come again bodily he comes again - until then I live in faith.

In Christ our Hen

Dick

Sobo,
I speak of the inspection and judgment of “God’s people”.
They exist well beyond the first century.
You can’t go wrong being loving.

Hello Pearl

“Covert manipulative liar”? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Yes ‘Live and let live’ - and blessings and peace be upon us all

love

Dick

"Don’t you think it would have been a good idea to tell everybody that these interesting and informative articles were in fact written by your wife, Obadiah?
Or maybe you “only just” read them,
like you say you did her article
on the kings of the earth,** even though it was written some 18 months ago?**
:confused: "

Funny…I was thinking the very same thing about your reaction…
“Methinks the lady doth protest too much.”

A wise heart Sobo. I withdraw.

Pearl - please don’t withdraw from the site. I think it’s just late and everyone is grumpy, me included

Greetings all, I just got home from a long day at work.
I apologize for this whole mess I may have caused. Let peace prevail. I’m sorry Johnny, really, but usually when a person says my wife or my husband wrote something it can jade the readers opinion of the substance of the information being read. I never want to do that. If what is written can be of benefit, then I don’t want the reader to dismiss it due to the messenger. I don’t automatically accept everything she writes… I check to see it if it is in harmony with scriptures. (but of course she is my better half :wink: )
I want Pearl’s writings to be based on the scriptures and their own merit. I am not recommending her, I am recommending the information she has written. All glory goes to the father in heaven, not men. No one should put their trust in men. (or women) (Psalms 146:3) Organizations run by men can become corrupt. Individuals can be used by God, but each one of us is required to compare what is written with the scriptures. (Like those in ancient Borea…they carefully checked the scriptures to see if what Paul was writing was true or not). This being said, If you enjoy learning new and different views then good. However if you don’t that is OK also. Where would Jesus Apostles be if they said…Oh this guy is just a carpenter’s son…what the heck does he know about the law? In fact this is the very fault many of the Jews found with Jesus (Where did this man get his knowledge of the Law? He did not go to any of the schools did he? Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? ) His “unlettered and ordinary” Apostles also got the same treatment. So I say…don’t throw it away…carefully compare it with the scriptures…if you don’t agree…that is OK.

Just to clarify… I didn’t get a chance to read her article “Who are the Kings of the Earth” before she put it out. When I finally got to read her finished article and post on “who are the Kings of the earth”… I went on Google to see where her article showed up. I was surprised to see that someone here started a thread on the very same subject…That showed up at the top of the Google page. It peaked my interest to see what they wrote, so I came here.
Once again, I’m sorry for the uproar I caused…
As a side note…I’m shocked that this thread “the mark of the beast” has grown so much. LOL Only one person replied at first. Now it seems like a real thread. :slight_smile:

Agape, Obaiah…(Pearl’s Husband :wink: )

No, I’m the one who should be sorry, Obadiah. I was rude and presumptuous - and WRONG! I apologise unreservedly to you and to Pearl for so doing, and for implying that you had been less than honest in what you’d said.

Sorry.

Peace be with you

Johnny

Dear Johnny,
In truth,
every one of us
uses up
our 77 times.
Love,
Pearl
(Matt.18:21,22)

No problem Johnny…I am not offended, neither is my wife.
If errors were what God watched who could stand. (Psalm 130: 3,4) (Psalm 103:12-14) (James 3:2)
May the peace of God be with all of us. God only knows we all need it. Oh yeah, as Pearl just said…I lost count of my own 77 times that she has forgiven me. :smiley:
Agape, Obadiah
love-obadiah.blogspot.com/

Well good night everyone…I have a long day tomorrow…and the next…and the next…ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz