For some time I’ve wondered how different view points might view this position. I’ve held back on it for some time but seeing that the forum is taking off I thought it might be a good time to land it here on the site.
I call this the Argument of Humility because it deals with the subject of arrogance and salvation. I’m sure Arm. and Calvinist positions will handle the argument differently but I’d love to hear back from our own members.
The argument follows.
- All men are arrogant (sinners)
- ONLY God humbles the arrogant man
- The humble are lifted up
- many are not humbled by God and thus are punished eternally for their arrogance.
Now I’ll eloborate;
No 1: All men are arrogant.
I believe that both arm and calvinist will agree that every sinner is arrogant.
It seems it would be futile for any evangelical christian to argue that there are men who do not submit to God but they are humble. Thus I hold at this time that no. 1 is sound concerning Orthodox belief.
No 2: Only God humbles the arrogant man.
I believe that both arm and calvinist will agree that the only reason a arrogant man is humbled is due to God working in the life of the arrogant.
It seems it would be futile for any evangelical christian to argue that a man’s humility is due to the devil or some other outside force. If it is argued that the arrogant man is responsible for the humbling than one has to explain how pride dethrones itself off of the throne. The point being Arrogance never commits suicide but always puffs itself up. It is not until the arrogant get his/her head kicked in (figure of speech) that the arrogance is smashed and the person is humbled. In other words the act of humbling is ALWAYS done from an outside source.
It also seems to me that NO ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN would ever say, God did not humble me, I humbled myself. In fact they ALL attribute their salvation to God’s having BROKEN THEM and thus saving them (humility).
No 3: The humble are lifted up
I believe both Arm. and Calv will agree that when God humbles the arrogant he lifts them up as he promised (humble thyself at the side of the lord and he will life you up).
This entails another point: When the arrogant is humbled does God accept their humility or step on them though they have become humble. If one argues the arrogant still are resentful to God then I would argue they have not been humbled. Thus my definition of “humble” is to draw to the side of the lord OR BE ARROGANT.
It seems futile to me for any evangelical christian to argue that God does not lift up the humble but rather often dashes them to pieces placing them right back into their arrogance (hatred for God).
Even the calvinist, it seems, would say if any arrogant man is humbled it is because God in his sov. humbled the man to break him of his arrogance that he would be saved (election).
Thus it seems sound by orthodox christian understanding that if One is humbled by the arrogance (hatred of God) he is humble (loves God). If he still does not love God then he is still in his arrogance and has not been humbled.
No 4. Many are not humbled by God.
Arm thgology would assert that God is TRYING to humble the arrogant (all mankind). As he loves all men and wants not one to perish he attempts to humble them but utterly fails due to their free choice which he allows them. Thus God fails to humble those he is trying to humble before it is too late.
Calv. Theology would assert that God accomplishes all the humbling he desires (the elect). He only loves the elect and therfore accomplishes this means and dispenses the arrogant into ECT as they deserve it for they were arrogant.
My consensus at this time is that a major theme in scripture is that it is God who humbles; All men are arrogant (hostile to God, or born into sin); Arrogance never humbles itself.
Thus I am arguing that Under Evangelial Universalism God does indeed humble EVERY single person who is arrogant. I do not believe he has to do so all at the same time but I do hold that it is inevitable that each person will come to the point where they will be humbled (ever knee shall bow) and thus they will love (every tounge will confess) their God (That Jesus Christ is lord).
If one argues that God does not humble all of the arrogant, then which part of scripture declares Gods inablility to humble the arrogant? Which part of scripture declares God’s failure to humble the arrogant?
It is of my opinion this is exactly what Isaiah and Paul saw concerning the prophecy. Every man will be made humble and become subjects to their king; like knights in honor of their king…THEY BOW!