For all those inquiring minds that have really wanted to know what Muslims think about “Christians And Alcohol” —
According to Ibrahim B. Syed, Ph. D., president of the Islamic Research Foundation International (pbuh),
“Alcohol is Prohibited for Jews and Christians.”
In his introduction to this paper, Syed states:
Blessings. (Or should I say, As-salāmu ʿalaykum, “Peace be upon you.”)
Of course, a Muslim might argue that. And they will also argue that the Torah and Bible are corrupted. But they will get extremely angry, if you apply the same criticism, to the Koran and Mohammad.
Having said that, there is a Muslim center within walking distance - of where I live. The Muslims there are well educated and many are doctors, engineers and IT folks. So I get along well with them - at the open houses and functions.
Let’s just say that you are against alcohol. That’s all well and good. But the big Christian bodies:
Roman Catholic
Eastern Orthodox
Anglican
See alcohol in a positive light. And most Protestant bodies are in favor of moderation.
And medical authorities - like:
the American Medical Association
the British Medical Association
the World Health Organization
Haven’t taken a stand against it. If in the future, scientific research and government bodies, regulate it with health warnings - then I’'ll reevaluate my policy of moderation.
In the meantime, I’ll contemplate the redeeming qualities, of the new AMC Preacher series: 
And see if this nerd nailed who died, in the walking dead: This Walking Dead Video May Reveal Who Died In The Finale
I can’t figure out if the Preacher is a universalist or not 
[size=125]Holy-Fool-P-Zombie,
1. If you had only glanced at Dr. Syed’s article, you would have at least seen that as he “analyzes their Scriptures” concerning alcohol use, he does NOT argue the Torah and Bible are corrupted. Sure, Muslims say that, but that is not the basis of his analysis. (He actually relies on my buddy Samuele Bacchiocchi.)
2. I think saying that the big Christian bodies see alcohol “in a positive light” might be a bit of a stretch.
3. I assure you, as I mentioned in my original essay above (maybe you missed it), the American Medical Association has categorized alcohol as an “addictive drug”! (I think that counts as “taking a stand against it.”)
American Medical Association Policy (H-30.972) “reaffirms the concept that alcohol is an addictive drug and its abuse is one of the nation’s leading drug problems.”
Blessings.[/size]
Jesus approved of wine, at least at weddings, I think…
Anyway, now let me address your points.
A Muslim shedding light on Christian and Jewish scriptures? And you find their analysis more accurate on the subject, then those of historical and contemporary Christian and Jewish theologians? Considering a Muslim scholar is usually versed in classical and MSA Arabic, rather than Koine Greek and Hebrew? They are working with English translations. And they criticize Christians and Jews, if they use a non-Arabic translation of the Koran - for scholarly criticism.
So if the Muslim “scholar” says:
He’s making the same argument a Seventh Day Adventist theologian would make (like your “buddy” Samuele Bacchiocchi - the Seventh Day Adventist). But theologians of other denomination bodies, as well as Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologians - have a different viewpoint. I believe the counterpoints were made - earlier in this thread - in previous links I referred to. I’ll be happy to bring them up again. In the meantime, look at the Protestant site Got Questions answer: Question: “Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?”
If the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches don’t see alcohol in moderation - in a positive light, then answer this question. Why do so many RC and EO monasteries, make and sell beer and wine (as well as brandy and other strong liquors)?
The AMA doesn’'t always get things right, as we find in The American Medical Association (AMA): Abstinence Motivated Agenda by David J. Hanson, Ph.D., these tidbits?
Then this PhD scholar brings up other cases of studies, the AMA pushed and got wrong.
Randy, that is probably true of Diet Coke. But I find that Coke Zero tastes almost the same as sugared Coke. I like it just the way it is.
Things used to me so much simpler, Paidion, in a galaxy far, far away. Now I go into a particular Wendy’s and they have a new, high tech soda dispensing machine. And for Diet Coke, I can get it in:
Plain
Raspberry
Cherry
Cherry Vanilla
Lime
Next time I visit it, i’ll see if the same options exist - for Coke Zero
They didnt call Jesus a glutton and a drunkard for drinking grape juice
Or Coke Zero 
I’m more convinced now that Hermano is a Seventh Day Adventist. And Coke Zero - unless they have a caffeine free variety - contains caffeine. Which means the Seventh Day Adventists would oppose it. No offense intended to Seventh Day Adventists. They share the same concern to avoid caffeine and alcohol, as Mormons and Christian Scientists. Which Muslims don’t share, with their middle eastern espresso coffees. Which will keep you up for days. Or they combine alcohol and Islam, in secular Islamic countries - like Turkey (I found this on TV, on the Booze Traveler series). 
For the record, when I go to that particular Wendy’s - I do this. I order the Diet Coke in their new high tech, soda machine - in the caffeine free variety. And I get it in a cherry vanilla flavor.
Now I’m off to make my home made espresso machine.
Brother Holy-Fool-P-Zombie, for me, alcohol addiction is a deadly serious topic.
But more than that, for me, the question of whether or not Jesus, “The Author of Life” (Acts 3:15), would “produce, consume, and promote something that could be harmful to us,” is paramount, as its correct answer will extend our understanding of God’s unrivaled goodness.
We are warned (presumably by God) that alcohol is a “mocker” and a “brawler,” and “poisons like a viper,” and that its use leads some to torment and death (Prov. 20, 23; Gal. 5:21)…and yet Jesus re-stocked the bar at a wedding?? Wouldn’t that indicate a bipolar nature?
Btw, I am glad the AMA continues to support abstinence. So no, I don’t see that the AMA “gets it wrong” by pushing abstinence. After all, since alcohol is an addictive substance—by their own classification—if a person abstains, he can never become addicted…addicted after perhaps initially attempting to drink “in moderation.” The risks outweigh any supposed benefits. Better for a newly minted adult to just avoid it altogether. (Why do you find their conclusion so hard to accept?)
Also, I had already mentioned that the late Prof. Bacchiocchi was a Seventh Day Adventist [gasp]. And no, I myself am not an Adventist—nor a Muslim either, before anyone suggests it (said with a smile).
Blessings to you.
Eaglesway, I have tried to encourage Holy-Fool-P-Zombie to really get to the bottom of this by checking out my seven essay footnotes above for himself; now I encourage you.
…BUT perhaps that’s a lot of reading. So the crucial research reference among those footnotes is
(6) Bible Wines: Laws of Fermentation available free here (PDF), or here (EPUB, Kindle, PDF, et al).
This plausible research convinced me that God does not contradict Himself, and that there is solid historical evidence that there were indeed both alcoholic and non-alcoholic “wines” in antiquity. (Are you folks open to being convinced?)
This clarification beautifully resolves the apparent contradiction among the Scriptures about wine. So if you make the effort, I believe you too will find it a very compelling resource that corroborates God is only good, only unipolar, only about LIFE.
Blessings.
Hermano:
Alcohol can be an addiction, yes. And folks who are addicted to alcohol, should use every tool to overcome it. Whether it be medical, Alcoholics Anonymous, the Salvation Army, etc.
But I am lifelong friends, with someone from the Greek Orthodox church. She has a masters from the University of Chicago in social work. And a PhD from Oxford, in Biblical archeology. And she did dabble for a couple of years, both as a Christian Scientist and Seventh Day Adventist. As someone fluent in both modern and Koine Greek, she disputes their positions on alcohol in scripture. And the volunteer Protestant theologians and pastors at the Got Questions site, will also side with her (just search the topic alcohol on the Got Questions site at gotquestions.org/).
As someone with her own counseling service of many years, she has treated many cases of addiction. She says that the current research has shown generic disposition, as a major factor. This is also confirmed by her son, who is a PhD professor of genetics at Harvard. He’s also a foremost authority on generic modeling. And look at the cases the AMA studies had, that were blatantly wrong at The American Medical Association (AMA): Abstinence Motivated Agenda by David J. Hanson, Ph.D.. And folks like comedian George Burns, can drink 2 martinis and smoke cigars - all his life. And live to be 98 - all because of genetics.
Now you appear to be on a mission. Either as a Seventh Day Adventist, to convince everyone the Seventh Day Position on alcohol is correct. Or as possibly a current or former addict, to show everyone can get addicted to alcohol.
I would oppose both potions on theological and scientific grounds. And I can find a sufficient number of theologians and scientists, who side with me.
So answer me this. What is your motivation for being on a crusade, with your position on alcohol?
Or do your own thinking. Take one of the theological positions on the topic alcohol, on the Got Questions site at gotquestions.org/). Tell me what you disagree with regarding it and why.
Oh no! Don’t tell me there’s danger in doing addition, too!http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g374/Paidion9/Emoticons/rotflmao.gif
Or do you mean additional alcohol?
Actually, both. If you keep adding alchohol, it can lead to addiction.Thanks for the catch.
From “Mark Driscoll Answers: Should Christians Drink":
(Note: Driscoll became convicted of his ‘sin of abstinence from alcohol’ at age 30. Nowadays he maintains that through Christ, “God has come to earth and kicks things off as a bartender.”)
A link to Amazon is below.
Here is the a blurb:(which I agree with, having read the book)
By Steven H Propp TOP 100 REVIEWER on May 7, 2012
Author Jim West wrote in the Preface to the 1995 first edition of this booklet, “This book contains snapshots of the drinking joys of the Protestant Reformers and some of their heirs. Its purpose is historical instead of exegetical. Our mission is not to counter every verse used by Christian Prohibitionists who have created a ‘cult of abstinence’… Our goal is to focus upon the great Protestant Reformers, especially Luther and Calvin. Just as our Lord came eating and drinking, so did Luther and Calvin. Their godly example teaches us that we should not hesitate to receive all God’s gifts with gratitude. We should be able to eat bread and drink wine to the glory of God (1 Cor 10:31)!”
He admits that “Of course, the Bible condemns winos as well as whiners. Drunkenness is sinful. There is a correspondence between drugs and witchcraft… The Spirit-filled Christian experiences self-control. He will be able to drink in moderation, while praising God excessively.” (Pg. 11-12)
He notes that “It is instructive that John Wesley was a teetotaler, which does not mean what many temperance fire-eaters suppose. A teetotaler was a person who was ‘totally off tea.’ Yet, Wesley was something of an ale expert! (Many of the early Methodist preachers were paid with rum!)” (Pg. 29)
He later reports, “certain enemies of the church have slandered the godly by accusing them of drunkenness by purposefully equating moderation with inebriation. A good example in the twentieth century was J. Grescham Machen… Machen was perceived by his liberal enemies … as sympathetic toward drunkenness… certain rumors began to circulate (by the Devil!) that Machen was a drunk! It was commonly reported that Machen made all his money in the brewery business…” (Pg. 31)
This is an interesting, popular Reformed perspective on the issue of Christians and alcohol.
amazon.com/Drinking-Calvin- … and+luther
It’s plain to see, what side brother Hermano resides - on this issue. I would go so far, as to label him a crusader. Those Seventh Day Adventists, must have gotten to him. 
Perhaps I should ask him, how he feels about medical marijuana (especially, in places where it is legal). Do folks avoid something considered potentially hallucinogenic and addictive - especially if it has medical benefits, under a physician’s care?
Or let’s tackle another angle. Suppose one had an incurable disease (as defined by a country’s medical specialists and medical tests). But they had a chance to attend an indigenous Peyote and/or Ayahuasca ceremony. The ceremonial leaders were indigenous and the ceremonies were legal - under the country’s federal laws. And the ceremony might cure them. Should one participate?
What do folks think, regarding my above examples? What do you think, Hermano?
I was wondering where to introduce this article, from the Protestant site Patheos - I’ve encountered today:
Christians, Do You Party Like Jesus?
I guess it depends on the party. 
A link to Amazon is below.
Here is the a blurb:(which I agree with, having read the book)
By Steven H Propp TOP 100 REVIEWER on May 7, 2012
Author Jim West wrote in the Preface to the 1995 first edition of this booklet, “This book contains snapshots of the drinking joys of the Protestant Reformers and some of their heirs. Its purpose is historical instead of exegetical. Our mission is not to counter every verse used by Christian Prohibitionists who have created a ‘cult of abstinence’… Our goal is to focus upon the great Protestant Reformers, especially Luther and Calvin. Just as our Lord came eating and drinking, so did Luther and Calvin. Their godly example teaches us that we should not hesitate to receive all God’s gifts with gratitude. We should be able to eat bread and drink wine to the glory of God (1 Cor 10:31)!”
He admits that “Of course, the Bible condemns winos as well as whiners. Drunkenness is sinful. There is a correspondence between drugs and witchcraft… The Spirit-filled Christian experiences self-control. He will be able to drink in moderation, while praising God excessively.” (Pg. 11-12)
He notes that “It is instructive that John Wesley was a teetotaler, which does not mean what many temperance fire-eaters suppose. A teetotaler was a person who was ‘totally off tea.’ Yet, Wesley was something of an ale expert! (Many of the early Methodist preachers were paid with rum!)” (Pg. 29)
He later reports, “certain enemies of the church have slandered the godly by accusing them of drunkenness by purposefully equating moderation with inebriation. A good example in the twentieth century was J. Grescham Machen… Machen was perceived by his liberal enemies … as sympathetic toward drunkenness… certain rumors began to circulate (by the Devil!) that Machen was a drunk! It was commonly reported that Machen made all his money in the brewery business…” (Pg. 31)
This is an interesting, popular Reformed perspective on the issue of Christians and alcohol.
amazon.com/Drinking-Calvin- … and+luther
DaveB, I don’t believe that Jesus made alcohol (a product of decay) at the Wedding at Cana, nor that alcohol was served at the Last Supper, and explain why in the above essay.
While I appreciate references to alcohol use as acceptable throughout Church history (such as given in your book recommendation), I again point to historical references in ancient history (some quoted and linked to in my essay, e.g., Bible Wines: Laws of Fermentation by William Patton, D.D, which indicate that the term “wine” was originally a generic term (cf. yayin, oinos, and vinum) covering juice still in the grape, and also after fermentation. When the Bible refers to “wine,” it must be determined by the context whether it is referring to alcoholic or nonalcoholic wine. Some “wine” was dangerous (Proverbs 20:1; Isaiah 28:7), some was not (Jeremiah 48:33; Isaiah 65:8).
Ancient writers did not have a word for alcohol, but Aristotle, Plutarch, Pliny, et al, recognized some wine *would *intoxicate and some would not. Aristotle refers to a sweet grape beverage (glukus) which “though called wine [oinos], it has not the effect of wine, for it does taste like wine and does not intoxicate like ordinary wine.”
Blessings.
PS Regarding my linked research and commentary: my own affiliation is charismatic, non-denominational.
Hermano - okay, I now know where you’re coming from. 'Nuff said.
I do recommend the book however to interested parties.
I think in order to present the non-Seventh Day Adventist view on alcohol, we just need to look at some Protestant Got Questions answers
What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol / wine? Is it a sin for a Christian to drink alcohol / wine?
Did Jesus drink wine/alcohol?
Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?
What does the Bible say about moderation?
I think Hermano would find, that the majority of Churches, theologians and secular academics - agree with the Got Questions site answers given.
It’s hard to believe, that this fox song, has over 611 million YoutTube hits.
