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Do You Think We Are Heading Towards A Totalitarian/Orwellian


#41

Perhaps because of the Texas hurricane crisis, this is a good story - to reflect upon: reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/67ouq5/two_boats_and_a_helicopter/


#42

That’s a good one! :smiley:


#43

Perhaps because of the Texas hurricane crisis, this is a good story - to reflect upon: reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments … elicopter/

The moral of the story is , don’t be “Left Behind.”


#44

Truth is stranger than fiction!

"Searching for a scandal the way a crackhead hunts for crack, the media decided that the real story of the natural disaster ought to be Melania Trump’s shoes. Because that is what the media is now.

Melania Trump wore high heels while getting on Air Force One. The media howled that she was heading to a flood zone while wearing high heels. Never mind that she was still far from the zone and was just boarding a plane. Then she landed in Texas, wearing sneakers.

And that was also bad.

The Washington Post, where democracy, decency and sanity die in darkness, dedicated an entire article to the topic of Melania Trump’s shoes."

Article here


#45

Melania Trump wore high heels while getting on Air Force One. The media howled that she was heading to a flood zone while wearing high heels. Never mind that she was still far from the zone and was just boarding a plane. Then she landed in Texas, wearing sneakers.

And that was also bad.

The Washington Post, where democracy, decency and sanity die in darkness, dedicated an entire article to the topic of Melania Trump’s shoes."

They used to call stuff like this yellow reporting or ragsheet news but now it’s MSM!!! Don’t forget that additionally Trump was not compassionate to the victims.


#46

Well, you would NEVER find this type of story, in the supermarket tabloids…like the Globe or National Examiner. :open_mouth: :astonished:


#47

Here is what John Robb over at Global Guerrillas has to say:

American Politics: Bad Boys vs. Mean Girls

Here’s a framework for understanding how social networking is changing US politics. It’s raw, simple and (hopefully) useful.


The political parties and the media aren’t the primary actors in the US political system anymore. Increasingly, politics is being waged online by networks. A fight between two powerful and very different online social networks (I gave them names that are both descriptive of how they operate and easy to remember):
•The bad boys (similar to a gang or tribe) network grew in support of Donald Trump. It proved innovative and fast enough to circumvent first the Republican party’s and then the media’s control of the electoral process. It was decisive to his victory.

•The mean girls (similar to a social clique or ruling aristocracy) network solidified in response to Trump’s unexpected victory. Its cohesion and single mindedness neutered the Trump administration even before he took the oath. It’s FAR more effective than the Democratic party and the media at exercising political power.

•The battle between these networks is evolving rapidly. For example, when a few small extremist groups from the bad boy network recently attempted to take control of the network through an organized protest in Charlottesville, they were roundly defeated and driven to ground by actions orchestrated by the mean girls network.

Bad Boys vs. Mean Girls

The real differences between these networks can be seen in how they organize themselves and how they fight:
•Bad boys. A loose decentralized network (populist and alt right, etc.). It has one organizing principle: disrupt the status quo. This network fights like an open source insurgency composed of many small groups and individuals acting independently. It disrupts from the shadows. It’s opportunistic, disorganized, and aggressive. It misleads, angers, and intimidates. It scores victories by increasing fear, uncertainty, and distrust.

•Mean girls. A tightly interconnected network (blue check Twitter and alt left, etc.). It has one organizing principle: repel the barbarians. This network fights like a ruling clique, albeit vastly larger than we have seen historically due to the scaling effects of social networking. This network openly connects people in authority across every major institution (from education to the media to the government to the tech industry) and leverages it and the politics of identity to establish moral authority. It fights by categorizing, vilifying and shunning enemies. It scores victories by manufacturing consensus.

•Both of these networks have their own moral and emotional framing for the news and events. Members prove their membership, particularly in the mean girls clique, by amplifying and repeating this moral framing when retweeting or commenting on news spread via social networking. Bad boys prove their membership through action i.e. exploiting every weakness by generating outrage, memetic reframing, and relentless trolling.

What this means

These networks have already replaced many of the functions previously accomplished by the political parties. They have also rewired, likely forever, how we consume news. Here’s some insight into how they are likely to impact the future:

•We face a paradox. This online war will persist as long as there isn’t any meaningful political change, but there can’t be meaningful change as long as this war persists. In the meantime, all of the underlying economic and social problems that have hollowed out the US over the last three decades will worsen. Worse, the existential crisis (a crisis that’s already killing more Americans than the entire Vietnam war every year) will deepen and the chance of catastrophic outcomes will spike.

•If we’re lucky, these networks will develop ways (apps and tools) to coerce and/or compel elected representatives into specific actions (aka drive change). The parties will either fight this development or embrace it. The party that fights it will be destroyed. The party that embraces it would have the potential to make the changes needed to prevent a wholesale collapse of the republic.

•If we are unlucky, we won’t see meaningful change and this existential crisis will drive us into authoritarianism. The form of this authoritarianism depends on which network wins. If the bad boy network dominates, we could see a dictator like Putin (or much worse) climb the ladder of chaos by scapegoating and purging enemies of the state. If the mean girl network gains control, we could see intersectional identity (all identities are in a perpetual struggle for dominance akin to Communist class warfare) mutate into an ideology that violently purges groups of people who become obstacles to progress. In their extreme forms, both of these political outcomes could create big piles of bodies. Let’s hope we avoid that.

So John has a little bit of credibility! (Randy take note) Check out his credentials…

And here is the link:globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/


#48

Interesting. I think he’s missing the boat on some very important things, however, especially in his descriptions of methods that the boys and girls use.
Still, interesting.


#49

Fear the Fear the Walking Dead just ended, a couple of weeks ago. They will return shortly and the Walking Dead is close behind. And both are AMC shows about the Zombie apocalypse at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_apocalypse. Let me give a definition from Wiki:

In reality, I don’t think we are heading for a Left Behind, Animal Farm or 1984 - but a zombie apocalypse. And I have mixed feeling here.

On the one hand, it’s the end of the world
On the other hand, Christians should celebrate

To show you I’m serious here, let me quote from the Wiki article:

In Fear the Walking Dead, the hero is a Kick A%$ woman. And she and her family members, hang around a “Super extreme, right wing” survivalist camp. The other group is a Native American Warriors camp. The only leftist who is surviving, used to belong to a Nicaraguan death squad. And he is one tough Hombre (i.e. Spanish for man).

I’m sure some here would be happy…that should a Zombie apocalypse occur…they could find a “Super extreme, right wing” survivalist camp - to hang out at. I would probably hang out, with the Native American warrior clan. :smiley:

I think some - like Steve and Dave - would survive in the “Super extreme, right wing” survivalist camp. And I would survive in the Native American warrior clan. I’m not sure about the rest, of the folks here. :wink:


#50

Not being all that knowledgeable re your zombies, your walking dead, your other and assorted Others, can’t we all just get along? If all of us just met at the local Grange for potluck, then pushed the benches to the walls and fired up a bluegrass/celtic band, and we all danced like noone was watching?
Hmmm…better re-think that potluck, I reckon…


#51

Actually, Dave…since the Zombie apocalypse hasn’t started yet…I’m all up for a party, where the guest list includes right wing survivalists, Native American warriors and zombies. It would bring a variety of perspectives - to any conversational topic (like we do here, on this forum). :smiley:

We all can have a heated debate…on whether we are headed towards 1984, Animal Farm, the Zombie apocalypse or something else entirely. Where we can all partake, of some liquid refreshments - that have more zip than the Zombies :laughing: