The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Driscoll supports EU by saying "hate" is idiomatic

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Thankfully, scholars are in agreement in their understanding of this passage and its significance. In order to better understand the nature of Jesus’ statement, two things need to be clarified. First, we must look at the word “hate” (μισεω, miseo) and all that it can and does mean in the text. Second, we must understand the context of Jesus’ teaching and the significance his words had to his audience. Exploring these two ideas will help us understand the nature of Jesus’ call to hate all apart from him.

Thankfully, there is another sense for the word “hate,” as it pertains to this passage. When it’s used in the Old Testament,[2] particularly in the Wisdom Literature, the word loses its psychological force.[3] Instead, it carries a sense of intensified choice. For instance, in Proverbs, the writer often instructs the reader to choose righteousness over evil, often worded in terms of love and hate. The call is to reject (= hate) evil and to embrace (= love) righteousness. In Jesus’ statement here in Luke 14:26, the same principle is at play.

In this passage, Jesus’ call to hate both family and self is a call to rejection, not homicide. Some scholars are content to stop at this point, saying disciples should love Jesus to the neglect of their families—an action that could be interpreted as hate.[4] However, this would stand in contradiction to Jesus’ instructions concerning proper love for both neighbor and family as discussed above.[5]

The majority of scholars are in agreement that the concept of hate (or “rejection” as we have said) is idiomatic for a subordination of loyalties.[6] “Hate” in this context demands the rejection of loyalty to family and even self for the purpose of following Jesus with a whole heart. All other people or things must come second to your pursuit of relationship with Jesus. Matthew 10:37 brings this concept out in its take on Jesus’ words: “Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me” (emphasis added). As noted New Testament scholar Darrell Bock reminds us, Jesus is to be our “first love” and all others second. We must be prepared to reject family and even self for the sake of discipleship.[7]

The happy result of putting Jesus first will be being a better spouse and parent. By not worshiping the idols of marriage and family, and instead worshiping the Creator that gave them to us as good gifts, we are able to lead better and love better.

I just pray Driscoll would see that this also applies to Malachi 1:3 & Romans 9:13!

Naa, being a calvinist, he would just say god really loves those he cast into everlasting torment, just that he loves his glory more.
after all “God is first for himself”! (piper) :frowning:

Excellent, Alex! He will come to understand the full implications of that someday – maybe it will be sooner than you expect, Michael. (With God, all things are possible!)

Sonia

Well I see something rather different in this than Driscoll and the scholars that he references.

Funny but I just read this same passage in Matthew this morning and sat there for a bit wondering about it and asking God to help me see.

Driscoll says it means this:

So, according to Driscoll I should pursue my relationship with Jesus above all other loyalties. Things and people come second. What does this actually mean? How exactly do I make sure my pursuit order is correct? I was told for years in church to make sure my priorities are: 1) god, 2) church, 3) family, 4) country. At least I think that was the order – it changed sometimes based on who was giving it.

How do I love God more than my wife? Suppose I’m holed up in my study putting God first with my daily quiet time, reading, praying, worshipping, and pursuing that number one most important relationship. Meanwhile, my wife is downstairs getting the kids up, making breakfast, getting ready for work, while I’m upstairs relating with God. Is this OK because I’m putting God first? Is God happy that this is how I’m putting Him first?

I realize this example is probably a straw man but I really think Driscoll’s teaching leads to this sort of absurdity. We become stressed to make sure we are spending more time with God than we are with our spouse, or father, or brother…

I think Jesus was teaching something very different than this.

How do we love God and put Him first? It’s by loving what God loves and wanting what God wants. What does God love? Well for one, He loves my wife – to the point of dying for her. So, if I really love my wife and see her as He does then I’ll be downstairs caring for her every morning even if it means sacrificing my quite time.

We put God first by loving people – all people.

This is the point of Jesus using the word hate. People naturally tend to hate other people – the Jews hated the Samaritans, that Hatfields hated the McCoys. We love our families and don’t want anything bad to happen to them while we turn a blind eye when someone else’s family in some other culture is bombed to smithereens so that our family can be free from terror.

The Pharisaical system of Jesus’ time and many (most?) other religious systems propagate the “us” versus “them” mentality. The institutional Christian church, at least the ones I’ve been part of are all about who’s in and who’s out. The worldly systems are all about who’s in and who’s out. Jesus hates this. He wanted the Jews to hate it too. He wants us to hate it.

God wants us to love Him BY loving our brothers, all of them, whether they are part of our us-category or not. God wants to change our us-categories to include every single precious life that He has created and to love each life as much as we love our own life, or our child’s life, or our spouse’s life.

It should grieve us to no end to see a poor family on the other side of the world decimated by a bomb supposedly dropped to preserve our terror-free lifestyle. When I hurt just as if my own son was bombed then I’m loving and putting God first. If I really love God foremost then His grief will become my grief and I believe He grieves beyond the expression of words when one of His precious families is senselessly decimated. Somehow, spending 20 hours a week in bible study to put God first while at the same time feeling no pain whatsoever at the suffering plight (that I have even helped cause) of another human seems wildly delusional.

Jesus came with good news – God loves all mankind and invites us to do the same. This can only happen when our exclusive us-categories become hated in light of God’s universal us-category.

Funny but I never saw things this way before my conversion to EU. I paid lip service to it but really saw anyone outside of my particular belief system as somehow less human and less deserving of God’s love than me.

great post davidbo

“Inasmuch as you did it to the least of these, my brothers, you did it for me…”

Some great thoughts, Davidbo. Perhaps we must hate others when seen as isolated individual units, but love them when seen as related to God.

I immediately thought of the passage where it says that God loved Jacob, but hated Esau. Same thing there. A better rendering would have been, God favored Jacob and disfavored Esau (with respect to choosing one over the other for a certain purpose).

And also what God is disfavoring is the natural/esau/adam compared to the spiritual/jacob/christ

Edom=adam btw, and edom=esau

Sorry I should’ve included:

, Driscoll"]Unfortunately, many of our “saints” in protestant Christianity seemingly operated under the assumption that family was to be rejected, destroying their families in the process. I spoke on this in detail at this year’s NewSpring Leadership Conference in a talk entitled “Ministry Marriage.” The reality is that a person who puts ministry as a priority above his family is not actually worshiping Jesus but instead worshiping ministry and is disqualified for ministry by Paul’s teachings on eldership. So what does Jesus mean then? We need to dig a little deeper for a full understanding of the passage.
I totally agree with you that loving everyone, is linked to loving God, and that we want to avoid an “us” versus “them” mentality.