The Evangelical Universalist Forum

For those of you understanding German :-)

I have just found a nice free Evangelical Church in Berlin, whose sole foundation is the Bible but which teaches universal reconciliation (Allversöhnung).

http://www.gemeinde-hasenheide.de/

I thought that those of you having studied theology or philosophy might have German notions.

I’m going to listen to the audio sermons.

Cheers.

Sehr gut! :smiley: So nice to see a church providing biblical backing for universal salvation. Makes me wish my ancestors had never left Germany! :slight_smile:

Google Chrome automatically asks if you would like to change websites of different languages into the user’s default language, so you all could try viewing the website in Google Chrome. Or you could use Google Translate to get a quick and relatively accurate translation.

Maybe I’ll immigrate. :wink:

They may be the original source of the German Baptist universalists who settled in Pennsylvania in early colonial days, nicknamed the Tunkers or Dunkers (since most congregations in American territories at the time didn’t hold to full immersion baptism), who came to be known as the Church of the Brethren. They’re closely related to the Mennonites and Amish, and work with Mennonites in evangelical projects sometimes; and established (and still run, so far as I know) the charity now known as Heifer International.

I didn’t know if the Brethren had immediate German roots though (I mean German universalist churches), much less any who had survived until today! That would be nice, if it’s true (but I don’t know yet if it is).

Unfortunately Google Translate really sucks (if you can pardon my English :mrgreen: ).

There are many situations where the sentences are either meaningless or mean something completely different.
Learning a language remains the best way to proceed :smiley:

Yeah, I was going to say “it’s all Greek to me” – but that wouldn’t be quite right. _; :mrgreen:

Haha, your English is pardoned – but Google Translate seems the best of a bad situation. It helps you get the gist of things, at least, assuming you can get around the nonsense parts.

I could always reference my brother, my cousin, or my German-speaking neighbors, but not everyone is so lucky as to live in Little Germany. :laughing:

Hallo Kate.

Wenn du Deutsch lernen willst, gibt es auf meinem Blog viele Posts, die sowohl auf Deutsch als auch auf English.
If you arer willing to learn German, there are many posts on my blog which are written in both German and English.

lotharlorraine.wordpress.com/cat … ch-german/ ]

Ich bin sicher, dass viele Dinge dich interessieren werden.
I am sure, that many things will interest you.

Einige sind auf Lothringisch geschrieben, das deutsche Dialekt von Lothringen (Frankreich), meiner Region.
Some are written in Lorraine Franconian, the German dialect of Lorraine (France), my region.

I am looking forward to learning how your linguistic experience has been :wink:
My private email is lotharlorraine@gmail.com and my true name is Marc.

Lovely greetings from North-England, where I work, light-years away from my beloved homeland.

Hallo!

Sadly, between balancing college and work, I don’t have much time to be a linguist, although I absolutely love foreign languages. I just know a few funny German words from my grandma, such as neinsager, which she’d often use with my pessimistic grandfather, and* Katze Mutter*, which my great-grandma was frantic my mother would become. “Ach,” she’d say. “Please find a nice young man to marry soon! I don’t want you to grow up to be a Katze Mutter!” Here, we say “crazy cat lady,” but apparently the image of a crazy old lady with 12 cats goes across cultures. :laughing:

My favorite German word means “like a dish rag,” but I can’t remember how to spell it. My grandma uses it all the time to describe when she feels messy and tired. It sounds like “ferloppled.” Ringing any bells?

I do speak French a bit though.:slight_smile: So if you’d ever like to drop me a reply here in French, I’d enjoy deciphering it. (At one time, I spoke well enough to make due in France, but my speaking has gotten a bit rusty since then – very rusty! :laughing: ) By the way, Alsace and Lorraine are absolutely beautiful – no wonder you miss your homeland! I’m homesick for Alsace-Lorraine, and I’ve never even been there!

Bis bald and au revoir! :slight_smile:

Kate

The Dunkers did have immediate German roots in the Schwarzenau Brethren – the German Province of Sshwarzenau was the place that many Universalists in Germany fled to escape persecution. They were an Anabaptist sect who practiced threefold forward dipping baptism along with other biblical ‘sacraments’ such as foot washing and the kiss of peace.

I know that they were part of the same European Universalist movement as the German Philadelphians and the Schwenkfeldians. All three groups eventually came to Pennsylvania to Germantown to escape persecution when toleration waned in their part of Germany and to touch base with those Quakers with Universalist inclinations. It is too much of a coincidence that William Penn named the Capital of Pennsylvania as Philadelphia – the seventh angel/church of the Book of Revelation with which the German Universalist and English Philadelphians connected the Everlasting Gospel of Universal restoration. Key figures in early American universalism were allowed to preach in Dunker pulpits. The Dunkers also set up a more esoteric monastic type community at the Ephrata Cloisters whose hymns are famous to this day for their beautiful harmonies.

The teaching of universalism gradually became an esoteric teaching only for the Dunkers and eventually seems to have died out altogether.

I’ve just remembered that Christopher Sower/Sauer junior was Dunker Minister. His Pietist dad - also Christopher Sauer - brought his printing press from Germany to Germantown Philadelphia and on this he printed copies of the German Berleberger Bible. This was basically the Lutheran Bible with compendious notes and commentary drawn from the Christian mystics and theosophists giving a universalist interpretation of the text. Christopher Sower junior - in conjunction with the universalist preacher George de Benneville then went on to publish the Sower Bible in English that had the Universalists passaged highlighted in bold type - it was the first specifically American English bible produced for Americans and printed in America.

Sower Jnr’s wife was connected with the Ephrata cloisters as was George de Benneville. I believe that one of the more esoteric teachings at Ephrata was that their hymns were meant to woo the Holy Spirit to earth in the form of Virgin Sophia.

Here we go - I’ve found some Ephrata Cloister choir stuff :smiley:

youtube.com/watch?v=_-lV3TNZWoI

It’s sung in German

Bis Bald!

Here’s the Dixit Maria from the Ephrata Cloister Choir! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxYAwHNqjek

Very appropriate Jason :smiley: