If we don’t sin, why does God have to deal with all our offenses?
And if we don’t sin, why were the Corinthians and Galatians sinning?
If we don’t sin, why must we look forward to the day when we put on incorruption? That proves we are corrupt.
If believers must do works, why does Paul say we aren’t saved by works? I think you really need to understand Paul’s epistle to the Galatians.
We have not put on incorruption yet. We are still dying. Since we still have death operating in our mortal bodies, this proves we still sin. We look forward to the day when we put on incorruption and immortality. Until that day we are still corrupt and mortal. The only time we no longer sin is when death is swallowed up by victory of life, immortal life.
Where in Paul’s epistles does he say when a person is saved that he no longer sins?
Did your read my entire post?—or only the first line?
This then happens for each one of us the day we die as we step through death’s doorway. Death is not a destiny but a transition point.
No, it happens in the resurrection when all believers as a group put on immortality and incorruption. The dead in Christ have to rise first and we who are living meet them AT THE SAME TIME in the air.
Do you usually just quote one line I write and not even comment on it rather than quote my entire post and comment on all my points?
What leads you to ask that question?
I have repeatedly stated that I believe salvation to be a life-long process. And I have provided a link to Metropolitan Kallistos who believes the same. When he was asked, “Are you saved,” he answered, “By the grace of God, I am being saved.” Paul understood this and taught that the process would some day be completed.
(Philippians 1:6 ESV) I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
It will be on that day that the salvation process will be completed (or perfected). I don’t expect to be perfect until that day—although I don’t consider it to be impossible. The fact that the salvation process may not be completed until the day of Christ doesn’t give us the license to practice wrongdoing meanwhile. The apostle John made this clear:
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. (1 John 3:4-10)
Qaz, I have been asked the question you asked me a few times previously—usually be people who believe that they have been saved from the consequences of sin or wrongdoing, while thinking they can continue to practise wrongdoing with impunity. Qaz, I do not say that you take this position, but those who have asked in the past have done so. I, myself, took this position until I was 25. I said I was saved, meaning that I was saved from hell. Only at 25, did I finally learn that Jesus died to deliver us from the practice of wrongdoing, and to enable us to practise righteousness—and that this is a life-long process.
Eusebius, I am a learner and a seeker after truth and reality. You have given no evidence of being a learner. You have mostly been in an attack mode with virtually everyone. I see no constructive purpose to continue to respond to your posts. So this will be my final post in which I address you directly.
Yes Eusebius seems to be a bit of a round-a-bout…
Hmmmmmm 
Just my 2c worth as I understand it qaz…
With regards to the offense of sin which had been a blockage to fellowship with God… humanity in toto has been fully forgiven and reconciled, period. The upside of this reality is that “whosoever wills may come” into the blessed benefit of this IN THIS LIFE in terms of progressive release (salvation) from the toxicities of life (consequences) experienced in or by our own aberrant behaviours… sins; this due by the learning of “the implanted word which is able to save your souls.” (Jas 1:21)
Jeff sad to Eusebius:
Paidion said to him:
davo said
Randy said
There are more, but I think Paidion is right
Eusebius, As I mentioned before, Jesus is the living example of God ( the Father/ Logos/ Word/ Holy Spirit) and man (the son) united together as one thus being a Son of God. We are not the Logos, but we all have the Logos inside of us. To be righteous(sinless in the eyes of God) we must come to love and follow God( the Word/ Logos etc.etc.) This includes the works. When we do this, we are Sons of God as well and serve as “Father figures” ( substitutes/ mentors/intermediaries/tutors etc.) to others until such a time when they fully come to know and obey the True God that is inside of themselves. Being sinless in the eyes of God is not being perfectly perfect. It is being righteous( following the Spirit/ Word etc.) and righteousness includes forgiveness and mercy. Yes, we will still make mistakes as we do not know all things. But, forgiveness is the way of the Lord and in doing the same, we are still righteous according to God.
Yes!
I consider the above as an attack on me. This is a message board. We are allowed to voice our differences. Just because you disagree with my points of view does not give you the right to attack me. But I refuse to reply in kind.
That’s okay for them to believe that. Jesus was accused of all manner of things too. Remember He said, If they hate Me they will hate you too.
And besides that, I haven’t played any games on this board nor attacked anyone. The thing is this, someone like me comes along and challenges the ideas some have on this board and so rather than them correcting their long cherished ideas, attack the messenger. But again, that’s okay. You can believe what you want, but so can I. If you are allowed to stand up for what you believe then so am I. It is a two way street you know.
Carry on and ignore me. Hate me if you want. That’s okay too. But it is better to have a dialogue then denigrate the one you disagree with.
I have learned from some of you and have said so such as Jeff’s posts and some of HFPZ’s. I have also learned that there are people who disagree with me but that is no reason to attack them. This is a message board where we can share differences of opinion. It is not meant to be a board where we all rubber stamp everyone’s opinion even if they disagree with us. At least I didn’t think it was.
I have attacked no one on these boards. Yes, I’ve called out some for what they believe. But that is far from attacking them. Heck, even Jesus denigrated Peter calling him satan for disagreeing with Him that He had to die.
Disagreeing with someone is not attacking them. And I never said someone was stupid. I said IF they are too stupid. That is not saying they are stupid. And I did apologize for saying that. But rather than showing that, and realized I said I was wrong, you attack. Let Satan be the accuser of the brethren. Don’t do his job for him.
See what happens when someone disagrees with others? They are accused of all manner of things. Rather than stick with the issues they attack the person. That proves nothing. How about concentrating on the positive things I’ve said about the posters on this board?
How about we get back on track and talk about Free Willism or God’s Sovereignty in Salvation of all? That’s the topic. I’m not the topic.
I hope I am not accused of fighting you when I agree with you that we are still righteous according to God.
I agree with you that Jesus is the living example of God. He is the perfect IMAGE of God. He was God’s Word. All He saw the Father doing He did.
It is one thing to be sinless in God’s eyes and quite another to not sin. I agree with you that we still make mistakes (sin). Who of you has never had thoughts of having sex with another woman? Who of you has never cussed? Who of you has never had an argument with another where you lost your temper? There are many more things too innumerable to list. But in God’s eyes, He sees us as He sees Christ . . . perfect.
Thanks for the good post. It is nice when we can agree on things that are true.
I think intelligence is relative. For example
I do hang out with folks, that would be labeled geniuses by Mensa
But I also hang out with folks, that are blue collar and street smart
But wait 
Some folks never attended full schooling - like Thomas Edison. Or they daydream and work temporarily - at dead end jobs: like Albert Einstein, in the patent office.
Or they might be intuitive and have a real gift. Perhaps naturally or from the Holy Spirit. And they know what is occurring beforehand and how to react.
And some will possess what is labeled emotional intelligence.
When it comes to Christianity, I’m more concerned with proper conduct or how one tries to love God and neighbor - as themselves. So I can forgive “bad theology” or “crazy theology”.
Eaglesway, appears to have a similar view (on Christ as created being) as AE Knoch (who also believes Jesus was created) 
It’s discussed in the article at A.E. Knoch’s errors in doctrine (which Eusebius, as a student of AE Knoch, also embraces)
From the thread - How Do You Explain the Trinity?
Which gets back to my prior thread post on inference.
We can infer many different - yet plausible theories - to explain the Old Testament talking donkey.
We can infer a trinity (as orthodox Christian thought does). But as some here point out, it’s not explicitly stated in scripture.
Or we can infer a different way of understand Greek and Biblical text, like AE Knoch sometimes does (as compared to the big six - NASB, KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV and NLT).
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Perhaps he got off, to a bad start. Let’s just try to be civil going forward - shall we (i.e. collectively, all of us). 
Randy said:
I kind of agree. 
“Love Alone is Credible” - Hans Balthasar
What one considers a teaching to be error (i.e. Knoch’s errors) is quite often found to actually be the truth.
Deportment is very important. Paul always balanced teaching with deportment in his writings. More often than not, if one has unscriptural understanding, their deportment often mirrors that. For instance, Bloody Mary thought God was going to burn people for eternity. So she took great pleasure in burning people at the stake and thought she was helping God in doing that as well.
Amen!