GEORGE'S GEMS

[Paidion]

From Adela Cathcart, Volume 2

“Whatever is good and beautiful, is doomed by the very death that is in [the world]; and when we find such [evil] things in ourselves or in other people, we may take comfort that these must be destroyed one day, even if it be by that form of divine love which appears as a consuming fire.”

“But that is very dreadful too, is it not, Uncle?”

“Yes, my dear. But there is a refuge from it; and then the fear proves a friend.”

“What refuge?”

“God himself. If you go close up to him, his spirit will become your spirit, and you will need no fire then. You will find that which is fire to them that are afar off, is a mighty graciousness to them that are nigh. They are both the same thing.”

[Eaglesway]

Beautiful & True

[Paidion]

[Agnostic_Gabe]

I hope George was right. I’d like him to be right.

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[St_Michael]

Freedom is the ability to choose. As Jonathan Edwards stated we choose at the moment what we most want. If I choose something because it ought to be done it’s because I want to do the right thing even though I have a strong desire to go contrary. We do not choose Christ out of compulsion or necessity. We come to Christ because we want to. This is freedom. We love Christ from the heart. God doesn’t force us against our will. He performs a miracle planting the desire for Christ within the heart. As a result we want Christ. The bride falls in love with the bridegroom. When we reach perfection all desire for sin is removed. We will be like God in that it will be impossible for us to sin. We freely choose what we want more than anything - God. This is free will. Those outside the city have their hearts separated from God’s mercy. Therefore, they don’t want Christ. They hate God with hardened hearts. That is to say, they have no desire for God. God is never obligated to give the gift of grace to a sinner who hates Him and doesn’t want to have anything to do with Him. God doesn’t take away their freedom He gives them more freedom. Freedom to do what they most want. All they will ever want to do is hate God and His children as they live in evil.

[anon12438761]

Don - the free will quote above came at a particularly good time for me. That is truly a GMac Gem!!

[Paidion]

Freedom is the ability to choose.

Well, yes. As you know I have used that very definition of “free will” several times.

As Jonathan Edwards stated we choose at the moment what we most want.

I wouldn’t put too much stock in the words of Jonathan Edwards. He also said:

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider… abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire.

If I choose something because it ought to be done it’s because I want to do the right thing even though I have a strong desire to go contrary.

And what if you choose that for which you have a strong desire instead? Is that just as freely chosen?

Yes, “free will” is the ability to choose. But what if you lose that ability? Or if it is at least greatly diminished?

1. There are many alcoholics that cannot seem to drink moderately. They are addicted to the extent that many of them even to lose their job in order to continue their excessive drinking. What has happened to their free will, their ability to choose?

2. Many people are addicted to smoking. These heavy smokers know that there is a good chance of their getting lung cancer or emphysema in consequence. But they continue indulging their habit anyway. My father-in-law died from emphysema and my mother-in-law from lung cancer. Did they have the free will to stop smoking instead of dying relatively young? It seems not.

3 Many people are addicted to living promiscuous lives. Thousands of men continue this life style even though they know that their wives disapprove and are likely to divorce them. Do they have the ability to choose to stop such a life style in order to save their marriage? Seemingly not.

Jesus taught the same thing:

Then Jesus said to the Jews believing in Him, “If you remain in my instruction, you are truly my disciples, and you will know reality, and the reality will set you free.”

They responded to him, “We are offspring of Abraham and have never been enslaved. How is it that you say, ‘You will become free’?”

Jesus responded to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who practises sin is a slave to sin… So if the Son sets you free, you will be really free. (John 8:31-34,36)

So if a person becomes enslaved to sin, where is his ability to choose? His free will? If he is set free by the enabling grace of the Anointed One, is he not then truly free. Has he not regained the ability to choose? Will he not then REALLY have free will?

This is what George MacDonald meant. If you truly have the ability to choose to do what ought to be done, even though you have an overwhelming desire to do otherwise, then you are REALLY free!

[DaveB2.0]

[Paidion]

Good one, Dave!

[DaveB2.0]

“To be trusted is a greater compliment than being loved.” - GMac

[Paidion]

1. Better be damned, doin’ the will of God, than saved doin’ nothing!

• George MacDonald; Alex Forbes of Howglen

2. To say on the authority of the Bible that God does a thing no honourable man would do, is to lie against God; to say that it is therefore right, is to lie against the very spirit of God. — George MacDonald; Unspoken Sermons III, Justice *

3. There is one kind of religion in which the more devoted a man is, the fewer proselytes he makes; it is the worship of himself. — George Macdonald; The Maiden’s Bequest, p. 125

4. In love, every man shows himself better than he is, though, thank God, not better than he is meant to become. — George Macdonald; The Maiden’s Bequest,p 192.

5. Some people understand only enough of a truth to reject it.— George MacDonald; The Laird’s Inheritance ch. 18, p. 135)

6. *From all copies of Jonathan Edwards‘ portrait of God, however faded by time, however softened by the use of less glaring pigments, I turn with loathing. George MacDonald (1824-1905 ) Unspoken Sermons III, “Justice” final paragraph

7. One of the most painful things in the dogma of the endless loss of the wicked is that it leaves no room for the righteous to make up to them for the wrongs they did them in this life. For the righteous do the wicked far more wrong than they think… —George MacDonald; Thomas Wingfold Curate
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[DaveB2.0]

Here’s a good one:
It is the one terrible heresy of the church, that it has always presented something else rather than obedience, as Faith in Christ.

[DaveB2.0]

Those are not the tears of repentance!.. Self-loathing is not sorrow. Yet it is good, for it marks a step in the way home, and in the father’s arms the prodigal forgets the self he abominates.

George MacDonald

[DaveB2.0]

How terribly, then, have the theologians misrepresented God in the measures of the low and showy, not the lofty and simple humanities! Nearly all of them represent him as a great King on a grand throne, thinking how grand he is, and making it the business of his being and the end of his universe to keep up his glory, wielding the bolts of a Jupiter against them that take his name in vain. They would not allow this, but follow out what they say, and it comes much to this. Brothers, have you found our king? There he is, kissing little children and saying they are like God. There he is at table with the head of a fisherman lying on his bosom, and somewhat heavy at heart that even he, the beloved disciple, cannot yet understand him well. The simplest peasant who loves his children and his sheep were–no, not a truer, for the other is false, but–a true type of our God beside that monstrosity of a monarch.

MacDonald, George. The Child in the Midst

[Paidion]

There are people who can never believe anything that is not … in accordance with the particular mood they may happen to be in at the time it is presented to them. They know nothing of human nature beyond their own immediate preference at the moment for port or sherry, vice or virtue.

—George MacDonald, Annals of a Quiet Neighbourhood

[Paidion]

Not all reading of the Book is reading of the Word.

—George MacDonald, Annals of a Quiet Neighbourhood

[DaveB2.0]

Don, I haven’t read the Annals. Is it in English like God intended, or in that Scots dialect that I have trouble reading.

[Paidion]

English