The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Grace and Universalism

Can universalism be argued from grace itself? Does the doctrine of salvation by grace imply universalism?

If salvation is by grace, then universalism must be true because…[Your answer here.]

…where sin abounds, grace abounds even more.

I think Richard Beck’s latest post, on the gracious nature of God, kind of relates to this, Rob…

I believe that one of the strongest arguments in favor of universalism is God’s character and nature, both as seen in Scripture, and as experienced in our lives.

So you could say that

God is gracious, and never stops being gracious. :slight_smile:

Blessings to you bro :slight_smile: You ask good questions :wink:

Matt

For not as the sin is the grace! :smiley:

Once in a while I’ll tune in to Joseph Prince on–dare I admit it! (NO!!! OK, yes.)–TBN (shhhhh—don’t tell anyone). While I don’t see eye to eye with some of his more recognizable fundie interjections, much of what he preaches about unconditional grace really makes sense to me.

But yes, I see God’s grace as the vehicle which transports His love to all.

know what you mean, Psalmist…i tuned into the God Channel here in the UK out of morbid curiosity (i’d been warned :laughing: ) and found that …interesting chap… Creflo Dollar preaching. i’d been shown the evidence of his usual sort of message…prosperity gospel!!! (which my band is working on a song about, called Poison 666, to give a vague idea how we feel about it!)
well ignoring that, and the appeal for a “love gift”…some of his preaching on grace was, as far as i’m aware, totally correct.
had to rethink things. i still HATE prosperity “gospel” and all its ilk, but it shows that nobody is totally bad…some good stuff was being preached about salvation by faith through grace…that faith without works is dead, not because works = salvation, but because works are the fruit of real faith, which we only get through God’s grace.

i can’t really improve on AllanS, JP’s or Matt’s suggestions, though. maybe with a bit more thought i’ll come up with something.
it’s to do with the fact that Jesus died for all, and rose again for all. that is the expression of God’s gracious nature towards us…the scope of that grace is eternal. but then i end up having to bring in extra concepts such as God’s will to save, God’s power to save, etc… :laughing: so i’ve not got this down yet.

here it is:
if salvation by grace is true, so is universalism because:

Romans 3:23-24
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Perfect, CL! :smiley:

i’ve always loved that pair of verses, and wondered about the implications, even before i knew UR was an option :slight_smile:
the first verse is the only one people tend to quote though…but it’s only half the sentence, and misses out the crucial bit!