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How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

First, here’s the BBC article from today - regarding the US cold weather:

Temperatures fell to -30C (-22F) in Chicago - colder than parts of Antarctica - and -37C in North Dakota.

Freezing weather will chill 250 million Americans, and 90 million will experience -17C (0F) or below.

I still say that when the tribulation and Z-Hell (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) gets here…all the gun owners, will be quite happy…and those without guns, will be regretting the day!

You are in a dream world. You’re ass is grass if you think that government can do away with firearms in the US. Every low life can get a firearm. And that is a very need to know position that you and all liberals seem to take and NOT UNDERSTAND…

I want the right to carry a firearm. I have it. I embrace it. The fact that you don’t like it is beside the point. I am a citizen, I have rights, you may not like them, but the fact remains, I HAVE THEM._

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That’s so sweet, that you can actually say that and think it is anywhere near the truth. I’m envious of that ability. Sleep safely.

This is from the BBC news today:

And while we had cold air, from the polar vortex…Australia is suffering a heat wave:

We need Australia, to send their “hot air” our way! :wink:

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Here’s an interesting YouTube Bible video I found

And this is from today’s Pathoes Evangelical newsletter:

So you’re thinking is that we are all safer if everyone carries a gun or other weapon? I thought only Archie Bunker held that opinion. In the program “All in the Family,” Archie stated on TV that everyone that travelled by plane would be safer, if each of them was given a firearm before entering the plane.

I do think that, yes. As for Archie, I know that that is you taking a ‘shot’ at me, but if it makes you happy, that’s good!

No, you don’t understand Don. A persons ability to be safe, is a fundamental right in the United States and the understanding that a firearm can be the difference between security and being a victim of crime is the difference. You may not want a gun, you may never want to use a firearm, you may think that a country would be better not having guns, but the fact is that guns are such a huge part of the US society, for myself, am glad for the ability to keep myself and family safe if the occasion arises.

So Qaz, what is YOUR solution? Take guns away from citizens, so only criminals have them? You gotta have more than that.
Should the rich and elite be allowed to have armed guards?
If you’re in a theater and someone opens up with a gun, wouldn’t you be happy for there to be a GOOD guy with a gun to stop the slaughter?
Your position is completely untenable. Noone anti-gun here has given a realistic answer, just complaints and la-la land armchair sophistry.

I didn’t say that I don’t want a gun. In fact I own three rifles. They are used for hunting and for protection against bears. But I KNOW I will never turn the muzzle of any one of them against a human being.

The early Christians, when attacked did NOT lash out in kind. They returned good for evil as Jesus instructed, even if it meant death for them. And thousands of them died as a result. But they bore witness for Christ in doing so. For them, it was better to die than to ignore the teachings of their Lord. They loved Him more than they did their own lives.

Absolute rubbish Dave… I think you might be the one a rockin’ in your armchair on your porch in la-la land. Think back to the last mass shooting at one of your theatres… where were all your so-called gun-totin’ “good guys” preventing that slaughter?? It just doesn’t wash!

Says who?

That is a mighty bold statement you make mR Don, to link ownership of firearms with some how shaming folks… Christian or others in to believing somehow the bible tells us to not defend ourselves. You are a leftist socialist communist.

The problem is that you are not considering is that we all ready have the plague, so you can’t take the Paidions position and pretend it ain’t so, or you must go with the realization that, at least in the US we have guns… And deal with it accordingly.

Sorry qaz, you’re not to get away so easy this time. Let me see some real figures by some real institutions, and after, I’ll do the same. Just to be clear, how dare you say that proper legal ownership of firearms is at all contributing to crime on any level at all.

“Leftist Socialist Communists” are not pacifists. Many of them not only defend themselves but initiate aggression against others.

It is well known that Anabaptist Christians such as Hutterites and traditional Mennonites will not defend themselves against aggressors. Why? Because they receive the teachings of Jesus, and act on them.

Indeed… I don’t think any sane person actually pretends your gun culture isn’t of plague proportions; there’s no denying the evidence!

Good. I appreciate your position. When I drive through a dangerous place, and have a firearm, I feel that God has not only allowed me but has instilled in my being that I need to be vigilant and take care of my loved ones.

You on your behalf have said I will go into this situation knowing that God is on my side and will protect me.

Good for you and if it works for you than power to you.

Don’t Judge the second amendment, it is a very potent weapon against the left leaning idea of no firearms.

Is this an Americanism, i.e., that “no firearms” is leftist… which you tie directly to socialism/communism etc?