The Evangelical Universalist Forum

How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Well, this is from the BBC today.

Let me quote a bit:

Gordon Sondland says he now remembers telling a Ukrainian official that US military aid “likely” hinged on a political inquiry sought by Mr Trump.

I like the way the BBC, put “likely” in quotes. You know what the quotes mean, folks! Don’t you? :crazy_face:

Wow - you don’t think we would impeach based on an “opinion” surely?? lol

I suspect Mr Sondland was prudent to revise and clarify his testimony. The most common charge jailing folk in these affairs is perjury (this was the GOP justification for impeaching Clinton, even though it had nothing to do with foreign powers, or seeking personal political power).

So when Mr. Sondland saw how many witnesses were lining up in their testimony about a widely recognized quid pro quo, it made sense to admit that he too was in the loop of those stubborn facts.

We have ONE piece of evidence - the transcript
WE have many opinions - in other words, what the Prez must have been ‘thinking’
Evidence or mind-reading? Hmmmmm
Now we can see the cherry picking of Schiff as to what he will allow us dumb citizens to read.

Biden - we have him on tape, abusing his power and bragging about it.
For the benefit of him and his son.
No opinions really necessary, since the fool already admitted it.
Just like Hillary, Joe will be above the law as well. Why is that?

DT is Prez and there is no evidence of wrong doing, but he will be investigated for 3 years.
JB wants to be prez, we have evidence of him doing what the Prez is accused of, but no investigation.

But for the straight scoop we can do no better than - Greg Gutfeld!!
"The impeachment gambit suggests Democrats know that if they stick to an election, they’re going to lose. Impeachment is the fire alarm they pull to cancel school on the day of the big test. It’s either that or move to Canada.

Even the new battleground state polls look pretty good for Trump, though the media still cling to his low favorability polls. That’s because they still believe America must adore who they vote for.

Nope. They don’t need a Mr. Nice Guy. Trump is an MMA politician. In a caged debate, he’ll fish-hook his opponents. That’s unseemly, but it’s why he won in 2016.

The best way to show you how good the country is doing under Trump is to watch what the news has become now: analysis of Trump’s misspellings, whether he was booed at an event, and more sweaty coverage of a phone call. They’re all “opinion” problems about “personality.”

(Yes Greg calls me every morning for tips and insights. so we often appear to overlap in our thinking. lol)

I disagree. While Trump’s version of a transcript is significant, I believe independents will also weigh the testimony of those who actually heard that call, as well as those directly involved in Ukraine with the set up for the efforts to extort them for assistance with bringing down Biden, Trump’s rival for political power, especially when public impeachment hearings are televised next week.

NANCY PELOSI: THE BORDER CRISIS IS “MANUFACTURED”

Madame Speaker is a blatant liar. Her lies are destructive. Trump’s so-called ‘lies’ are mainly just self-serving exaggerations. Let’s not forget that Pelosi also viciously stated that Trump’s intention was to “make America white again.” She and her ilk ought to be removed from office for their obstructionism and refusal to uphold the rule of law.

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I don’t know if the BBC reported this or not - they are basically anti-Trump.
But a good news story anyway.

A key Democratic witness against Trump admitted in congressional testimony last month that he was not part of the July 25 phone call between the U.S. and Ukrainian presidents, that he didn’t see a transcript or readout of it until late September when it was declassified and released, and that he has never even spoken to President Donald Trump.

William Taylor, the charge d’affairs of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine, told lawmakers in secret testimony two weeks ago that his opinions about an alleged quid pro quo demanded by Trump were formed largely from conversations with anti-Trump staffers within the diplomatic bureaucracy.

“July 25th is a week after the hold was put on the security assistance. And [on] July 25th, they had a conversation between the two presidents, where it was not discussed,” Taylor declared under questioning from Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-TX).

Ratcliffe then asked, “To your knowledge, nobody in the Ukrainian Government was aware of the hold?”

“That is correct,” Taylor replied.

Ukraine did not find out there was a hold on U.S. aid until over a month after the call, Taylor testified. The U.S. ultimately released the aid on September 11 without Ukraine having to do anything as part the alleged quid pro quo. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/06/bill-taylor-ukraine-unaware-of-u-s-hold-on-aid-during-july-25-call-quid-pro-quo-impossible/

It’s time to build the Trump Mobile. If Batman can have one, then so can Donald. :crazy_face:

If the Trump regime honestly saw his Ukraine conversation as “perfection,” why did they rush to bury the transcript and hide that conversation in a secret server? If they knew how many of those involved could testify to a blatant quid pro quo power play, the logical rationale for this is even more than apparent.

DONALD TRUMP is a blatant liar. His lies are destructive. Pelosi’s so called ‘lies’ are mainly just self-serving exaggerations.

Does that settle it, or do mutual assertions that our hero is especially honest just make it even?

FWIW I have believed from day one that DT is out for himself. The crux is if his 'out for him self ’ is good for America than so be it. Roll with the bones. If you want to change stuff, go ahead.but be wary of what you might get.

Good point. Do we know of any leaders that are NOT out for themselves?
I’ll take this one - who is doing good things for America - over the usurpers who are using slander, opinion, mind-reading - to get power over an America that voted against them.
It’s not Trump they are after, of course - they want the country they feel he ‘stole’ from them.

Well, at least things will go public next week. :wink:

Sure.
" Mark Zaid, one of the attorneys representing the intelligence community whistleblower at the center of the Democrats’ ongoing impeachment inquiry, tweeted conspicuously in January 2017 that a “coup has started” and that “impeachment will follow ultimately.”

Then, in July 2017, Zaid remarked, “I predict @CNN will play a key role in @realDonaldTrump not finishing out his full term as president.” Also that month, Zaid tweeted, “We will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters.”"

Wow the country will survive even his supporters.

That is the stink in the ointment. To somehow have to admit that life is better under DT than it was under BO, is the essence of the 2020 fight.

Go figure.

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I appreciate that; I think this was unusually palpable early on to many longtime observers,
and I think a few more are now seeing what politician’s general lust to retain power can lead to.

Yes, and the problem is in how we deal with each other, both on a forum and in our voting habits… I would say we need to have a general understanding to try to advance the ‘United States Of America’ Do you agree?

Sure, I favor ‘advancing’ over going backwards. But if it means advocating a super U.S. nationalism, I’m skeptical that this accords with the way God values those in all nations.

Rudy Giuliani was President Donald Trump’s enforcer, circumventing official channels and bewildering Trump’s official chosen diplomats as he pressured Ukraine to target Trump’s political opponents.

Along the way, career Foreign Service officers became collateral damage, and concern over a Trump-authorized quid pro quo emerged, blowing up into a scandal that now imperils Trump’s presidency.

Those are the unchallenged details revealed so far in five transcripts of depositions released this week as part of the House’s impeachment inquiry. And as Democrats prepare for public hearings next week, they are underscoring the common thread running through the witnesses’ accounts.

Trump’s allies have questioned whether Giuliani’s push for an investigation of Biden was done in tandem with Trump. But Giuliani re-asserted Wednesday that all of his actions were done on behalf of his client, the president — further undercutting the argument that the former mayor was a rogue actor.