You know i think the Dem strategy is to impeach Trump once they get a Dem Senate in Nov they will just bring up the same charges again or add on to the ones they already have and then impeach Pence for refusing to be alone with a women, so they will impeach him for misogyny.
After all elections just get in the way of progress!
HF - we armchair detectives get to step up a bit, when the professionals (politicians) are doing their ‘lemming’ thing. Granted, what we say here has no effect on the world whatsoever. If we did no more than remind ourselves of this, we would be doing well:
Another perspective, from FreeMan’s Perspective, a .com.
A snippet. The entire article is worthwhile imo, and I’m wondering if he is correct in his ‘solution’??
"Political barbarism, however, used to be cloaked in “statesmanship,” which was simply a version of mos maioram . American and English politicians, among others, were expected to dress well, speak well, and to behave with decorum. In my youth, people looked up to such men and respected them, even when they disagreed. My corner of the world featured Paul Simon and Adlai Stevenson on the left and Everett McKinley Dirksen on the right. Everyone disagreed with one or more of them, but they respected them all.
The last vestiges of that were washed away in 2016. They had been torn and tattered long before, of course, but there was some dignity remaining, at least in some quarters.
Since 2016, we’ve had Mr. Trump on the right, with his crude Twitter rants and schoolyard insults.
On the left, we’ve had a variety of astonishingly bizarre and deranged democrats.
On top of that, we’ve had intelligence agencies simply making things up to “get” the man they hated, along with the FBI has trashing its reputation almost completely. People may fear them, but that’s not the same as respect.
Mos maioram , then, has departed, and I don’t see it coming back any time soon. The path to political victory has become “stirring up the base,” and that strategy is on a direct path to Orwell’s Two Minutes Hate.
Plenty of the same has been going on in the UK, surrounding the Brexit drama. And likewise, British leaders of the past, who labored for dignity and reasonableness, would be horrified.
That said, I’ll stick with the American craziness for today. And today’s craziness is impeachment. But rather than punishing you with the details, I’ll simply refer those of you who are interested to Tom Luongo’s article on the subject and move on to the solution.
I’ve said this before, but I think spending time and effort on politics is almost a full waste. And if ever this statement was anything less than true, it is certainly true now: Politics is barbarism.
The system doesn’t deserve our sweat and strain.
I’d rather that we engage in building a better world. The model of the new era is decentralization, and just about everything new and uplifting either supports that model or thrives within it.
Decentralized education (aka, homeschooling and its variants) calls out for advocates and implementations. Decentralized science is a desperate need. Decentralized money is already present and is not only a screaming need but a major opportunity. And I could go on to decentralized communications, decentralized defense and more.
The past is beyond corrupt. By engaging in it we sully ourselves. Mos maioram is dead and gone.
A better way beckons."
Bob,
I’ll try to be clear. Although i believe abortion is the taking of a human life the mother clearly does not believe that, so criminalizing abortion will not work and is unenforceable also. So the remedy over the long run is education and better science to demonstrate that the fetus is in fact a human being, and hopefully change hearts and minds over time.
Yes, that’s exactly my conviction, and why I think much of the right’s commitment to outlawing abortion is a mistake. Abortion rates went down sharply under Obama, and the efforts to provide contraception and especially the pro-life movement’s wonderful efforts to provide sonograms and alternatives to abortion is changing minds and bearing much fruit.
Aren’t the Democrat candidates “politicans”???
I’m high on life, but unable to see your response as coherent.
You insisted my observation about "Democrat candidate’s views was a non-existent “strawman” because you were referring only to Democrat “politicians.” Why does that make asking how the Democrat candidates confirm your accusation about their “glee,” a “strawman”?
That does seem to be the current posture widely embraced.
Abortion rates went down despite Obama, but i’m glad sonograms are better and hopefully used more effectively.
Most statisticians are convinced that abortion rates have decreased most under Democrat policies. Removing funds from the leading supplier of traditional contraception, an agency my wife and I used to prevent a family during seminary, is not calculated to lessen the number of unwanted or crisis pregnancies. That’s one reason Europe has less abortions than a more religious America.
You are saying that more religion is associated with more abortions?
This graph shows that in 2014, the share of women in the U.S.A. obtaining abortions who identified with Evangelical Protestantism was 12.8%, while those who identified with no religion was at 38%.
Well, here I am - celebrating Christmas Eve. And even attending a Protestant megachurch service. While everyone here is discussing politics. 
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Hey man, we can do both! Merry Christmas to you!!
Yes, the correlations suggest that in more devout countries, religiosity blocks openly preventing crisis pregnancies and thus overall brings more choices to abort. Though most of these involved married women, often with families, I know in my evangelical ministry the proportion of single girls who got pregnant appeared higher than non-Christian girls (I suspect because the guilt of fornication inhibits openly communicating about its implications). More of them than secular girls felt obligated to carry the baby to term, but the huge incidence of such pregnancies can raise the abortion rate, even when a smaller percentage take that step. If we truly hate abortion, we need to do what’s effective to discourage it actually happening.
Are you insinuating some lack of availability of contraceptives in the U.S.A.? They are certainly widely available here in Mexico, a predominantly Roman Catholic country.
They are available and cheap, just like the word ‘no’.
Yes, my point is not that contraception is illegal, but varies in how widely it is available with any convenience to people with limited funds. E.g. the right here opposed Obama in seeking to have coverage for contraception included in medical coverage, and sought to cut off funds to the organization that provided most contraception to poor families, and educated them on using it properly. For ex: this planning organization graciously provided that service while my wife and I were starving students at seminary, and saved us a great deal of money.
The fact that Mexico allows purchasing expensive contraception does not necessarily discourage a large but poor family from using the funds required to buy food instead, and roll the dice on some no cost rhythm control 
Europe is not abashed to openly make contraceptives freely available, and so doesn’t have Mexico’s abortion rate.
Folk who resist what prevents abortion and then bemoan abortion seem hypocritic to me.
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Regarding abortion rates, Mexico’s abortion rate is 0.1 per 1,000 women between age 15 to 44, whereas Cuba’s rate is 28.9, and Cuba “simultaneously sees high contraception use and high rates of abortion.”
A few abortion rates in Western Europe:
Switzerland 7.3
Germany 7.8
Netherlands 10.4
Denmark 15.2
Norway 16.2
France 16.9
Sweden 20.2
A government underwriting contraceptives for its poor is fine with me, as long as the money does go to contraceptives —and not abortifacients, or abortions, or encouraging people to get abortions instead of giving up their unwanted babies for adoption…and so that would certainly leave Planned Parenthood (the world’s largest abortion provider) out of consideration for government funds.
As a Christian, I oppose abortions and abortifacients as means of birth control, don’t you?
Thanks. Yes, those are not what I meant by traditional contraceptives.
Your figure for Mexico is stunning, only about 1/2% (or 1/200) of many other nation’s abortion rate! Do you know the source of this, and how abortions are reported and counted in Mexico?
Every source I see, including Guttmacher (google: Mexico abortion rate), has Mexico’s rate many 100’s of times higher than this, and far higher than the other nations you cite. Something’s wrong here.
