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How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Why do you continually manipulate my posts by adding words to change the meaning? Again i never said communicated, i only said nothing actually happened.

Really you care about the truth Pastor Bob ?? Stop manipulating my posts.

I give everyone a break from the BBC news…with a story from the online Weekly World News. :crazy_face:

Thanks, I’ve found very few willing to actually challenge Goldberg’s opinion on this.

I’m afraid you’re entirely mistaken. Your exact words in your post 4370 to me were precisely:
“Are we criminalizing (Trump’s) statements when Nothing in reality was done or Communicated.”
I can understand being unfamiliar and too busy to examine the sworn testimony presented. I’m a bit puzzled that you also appear unaware of your own assertions.

Do you also have no response about uncontested evidence of what in reality actually “happened”?

When Trump’s own words are cited, he too complains it is fake news.
What untrue words have I added to your post?

ANOTHER BOMBSHELL?

Yawn. There have been 50 in the last 3 years, all gleefully celebrated on CBS and NBS and of course CNN and their six viewers. And all have gone down in flames.
Can anyone really doubt that once this one blows over, that the Dems have already arranged for further bombshells? That in fact, they have nothing else to do? They want their election back, damn the deplorables who elected him.
What have they DONE for 3 years?

This uncertainty may keep the trial interesting for a bit. Also reports that Feinstein may vote no on impeachment. It’d be good to see bipartisan efforts to pursue & wrestle with truths of what happened.

Trump’s superstar legal team, has wrapped up. :crazy_face:


And China is giving up problems again. :crazy_face:

And from the Weekly World News. This news is every bit as reliable, as Trump’s tweets - IMHO :crazy_face:

And in the BBC science news. :crazy_face:

I’m pretty sure they will, if it comes to that. GOP doesn’t want to drag this thing all the way to election eve, naturally, which will happen if they allow the Dems to continually try to control the nation and the congress with ‘trumped-up’ stories and blockbusters and he-said she-saids.
But there are GOP’s that really want to give the Dems a big ol’ taste of reality, and get a parade of witnesses up there for examination - which no Dem wants.
Plus there is the usual behind the scenes wheeling and dealing going on. I don’t expect much in the way of true transparency from either side.

Lara Logan: Not surprising to see mainstream media barely cover Trump’s Mideast peace plan

And this is a thoughtful presentation

" One legitimately can be skeptical about the timing of the leak, which happened contemporaneously with the Amazon product page for the book going live. One can argue, as Robert Spencer has done, that Bolton sold the president out because “Trump represents a strong challenge to the foreign policy establishment views that have failed again and again, and of which Bolton is a foremost exponent.” But it does not really matter. Even if, for the purest of reasons, Bolton wants to tell what he knows at the Senate trial about his direct interactions with President Trump concerning the temporary hold on the release of the security assistance, it would not be worth prolonging the Senate trial to hear him."

Would to God our politicians felt the same way.

We’ll soon see if they vote that way and allow the truth to come to light.

You are right Bob, i did say the word “communicated” and so i apologize. However i meant communicated by Trump to Zelensky which Zelensky confirmed that there was no quid pro quo or threat or pressure. These unnamed witnesses you keep referencing and never name simply gave their own personal opinions & clearly several hate Trump like Vindman.

Well, the white house gives this book - two thumbs down. :crazy_face:

And from the online Weekly World News, we have. :crazy_face:

We already have the truth, nothing happened except in the minds of people who already hated Trump and think they have the golden prize in reach, that being Bolton.

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Here’s an article from today’s Patheos Catholic newsletter:

Thanks for acknowledging that I accurately quoted your words. I really appreciate it.

As I’ve said, not one witness under oath who represented Trump in Ukraine denied that Trump’s staff, including Giuliani who Trump had said knew what was required, Chief of staff Mulvaney, Secretary of State Pompeo, and his National Security Chief Bolton had confirmed the alleged quid pro quo that Trump would only give the military aid after getting a public announcement of going after Biden.

So you’re correct that none under oath heard this policy directly from Trump. Of course, the above persons all could clarify whether Trump himself is the one who had explicitly insisted on this quid pro quo policy. And whether GOP senators are confident that Trump would be shown to not have done that will become clear by whether they invite those who know to come and confirm such a ‘truth’ that Trump did not do this. My instinct is that they’d rather not know or hear what those who know best will testify.

“If he were a normal person”? Please. Who does this catholic site recommend as president? Any Democrat?

Well we keep hearing from the BBC. I wonder what Australia is thinking?

" Greg Gutfeld is a conservative host on Fox News . He started off some years ago when Donald Trump was first elected as being something of a Trump sceptic. He has been won over. I think there are two ways to be won over, if you need be won over. First, consider Trump’s policies and his achievements.

To mention a few: lower business taxes; massive and continuing deregulation; 6.7 million new jobs created; unemployment rate down to 3.5 per cent; the lowest unemployment rate on record for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans; real earnings up 2.5 per cent; poverty down; stock prices and home prices way up; energy sufficiency; the ISIS caliphate destroyed; the US embassy in Israel moved to Jerusalem; new trade deals negotiated with South Korea, Mexico, Canada and first-phase deals with Japan and China, with Europe and the UK to come; border security tightened; over 180 new (literalist) federal judges appointed and two supreme court justices; freeloading NATO countries heavied to pay more for their own defence; extracting the US from the flawed Iranian nuclear deal and imposing tough sanctions on Iran, opting out of the ineffective Paris (climate) Agreement designed to penalise Western industrial countries while giving those countries whose emissions are growing the fastest – China and India prominently – a free pass.

It would be possible to go on and on but my drift is clear. This is a presidency without precedent. He will go down as the most successful president ever, particularly if, as seems certain in view of the calibre of those jockeying to oppose him, he is given another four-year term."

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/01/we-may-never-see-his-like-again/