The Evangelical Universalist Forum

How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

So the Washington Post backs up the NY Times account. I’m sure CNN and MSNBC will also back up the NY Times account.
Yes the NY Times that fabulous publication that covered up Stalin starving to death 8 million Ukrainians in the winter of 1932,33 because the farmers wouldn’t give in to collectivism.

Well, two big pharmaceutical companies are joining forces - to work on a vaccine. :smiley:

And the fear of this pandemic is causing some folks - to do strange things. :crazy_face:

I see you present no evidence. It’s good to know that his “Art of the Deal” works with some folk, but all I see you post is Trumpian spin.

Human Health and Service Secretary, Henry Azar, warned about a pandemic in February, the CDC stating that it presented a “serious public health threat,” and their Director for Respiratory Diseases, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, warned of this and announced and urged “Community Mitigation to Prevent a Pandemic.” Trump’s own Corona virus task force completed a “Four Step Mitigation Plan” on February 24. Time, April 20, reported an interview of FDA commissioner, Dr. Scott Gottileb, as beginning warnings on Dec. 31, and speaking to administration officials beginning Jan. 18, and writing multiple op-eds about the need to scale up U.S. testing capacity fast.

Have any of these denied that they saw contagious COVID as a threat needing immediate measures?

WJLA – 12 Apr 20

Signs missed and steps slowed in Trump’s COVID-19 pandemic response

WASHINGTON (AP) – By the time President Donald Trump first spoke publicly about the coronavirus, it may already have been too late. Interviewed at Davos, a gathering of global elites in the Swiss Alps, the president on Jan. 22 played down the threat…

Right, when no one backs up your account, and each journalist agrees yours is spin, the only move is to ignore what no one quoted denies, and just attack the messengers and message you find threatening

And on with the show. :crazy_face:



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And this:
There are some truly terrible people in Congress; there always have been some throughout American history. But as the country navigates the course of this mis-modeled and over-hyped COVID-19 pandemic, Nancy Pelosi stands out as a genuine enemy of America. She loathes the president so much she has relinquished any semblance of ethics and her own personal character. Every word she utters is a lie.

She knows damn well that the president was on top of this virus crisis while she and her fellow anti-Americans were gleefully and despicably embroiled in their attempt to remove the president from office. Not one of the principals in this fiasco – Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, or the rest of them gave a single thought to the potential threat of the disease emanating from China. There is no record of any of them even mentioning it until the economic shutdown brought it to their attention. But for calling Trump ‘xenophobic’ when he banned flights from China, none of them registered the virus as dangerous to the U.S. Once it became clear it was a serious threat, they all got on board to blame it on the president, to spread the lie that he was late to recognize it and is thus to blame, as Barbra Streisand put it, for 20k deaths. What abhorrent nonsense. Pelosi is the de facto leader of a liars’ club. And just as when the same bunch went after then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, there is not one bit of truth to their accusations and they all know it. This is how malevolent Pelosi and her disciples are. No plot to destroy this president is too wicked to employ.
more at https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/nancy_pelosi_and_her_democrats_unending_shame.html

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Are ANY of you never-Trumpers praying for the President? Why not?

Fauci was interviewed on Feb 18th by USA Today and he said the risk of getting Corona was relatively low and he didn’t sound particularly alarmed.

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Does a bigger moron exist then Pelosi? In the State of the Union, Trump referenced the virus but Pelosi ripped up her copy of the speech so she may have missed because she was sleeping during the speech.

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All the churches I ever attended (Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, etc.), pray for the president and state governor. No matter who is currently in office. What they do or don’t do, affects us. While I am more “Trump neutral” (although I like to join in the fun against him)…what’s good enough for the churches to publicly pray for, is good enough for me. :smiley:

I guess it’s ‘fun’?

Fun is Trump cartoons. But I’m serious about zombie politics. :smiley:


Thanks, I didn’t cite Fauci, only a host of professionals who haven’t been in the position to have their presidential employer send out a Fire Fauci post when he publicly challenges any Trumpian nonsense. Any observer can see that he brilliantly seeks to walk that tightrope in public.

Do you have no evidence against any of those many claims of professionals pleading that Trump prepare for a serious pandemic? I 'd think they’d deny it if it’s not true, and to stay in good with Trump.

Dave’s headline: PELOSI ATTACKS DR. ANTHONY FAUCI
"Corden asked Pelosi what she thinks is going through Dr. Fauci’s mind as he is standing behind Trump during the daily briefings.

“He’s a great scientist, I’ve worked with him for decades,” she said, “…I’ve had him on a pedestal for a long time,” before again saying Corden would have to ask Fauci."

Pelosi’s inartful response about Fauci is hardly the ‘attack’ of your own Employer posting a real attack piece with a Fire Fauci tagline (a typical Trumpian intimidation tactic)!

These “professionals” you cite had their personal opinions assuming the story is even true but even if it is , you don’t immediately shut down an economy, quarantine the population etc based on a trade guy sending a memo and a couple of people expressing great concern. The move Trump made , banning travel from China was dramatic and the reason it wasn’t more effective was because of something no one could have foreseen. Many Chinese businesspeople traveled to Italy for tradeshows & other business & Italy got infected and passed it on & travelers from Europe brought it here. Trump did ban travel from Europe later but it was to late to stop the virus. I thought he acted appropriately & let’s not forget how long it took Obama to do anything against the Swine Flu, months, but Obama was never criticized. How odd?

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How odd indeed. But it’s Orange Man Bad, all the time. Never Black Man Bad, not to a democrat. I will forever be disappointed in those that cannot find a fair voice.

My recent examples cite no trade guy, only the judgment of responsible professional medical personnel and those charged with the security of our people and economy. What they called for was not shutting down the economy but e.g. washing hands, ramping up ability to test, production and distribution of equipment and protective supplies vital to handling a pandemic, that is still not being well managed.

The truth about how many foresaw and warned of such contagion (including those on the pandemic task force that Trump killed) won’t remain hidden or spun. I see Trump’s constant refusal to do the requested things, or to heed those most knowledgeable about such a threat, and his repeated insistence that this would quickly go away as irresponsible and very harmful to our nation’s welfare.

When a politician hungry to retain power insists that the only “metric” that must be given “total authority” to stop mitigation safeguards is solely his own gut, I’d trust our nation’s epidemic experts metrics more.

Just complete nonsense and self serving recreation of what you think happened. You have no idea whatsoever unless you were there.
The impeachment proceedings didn’t end until Feb 5th, every Dem would have accused Trump of distracting, of creating panic to further himself, to make up a crisis to hide his real intentions.
The WHO had the exact opposite opinion as these medical professionals & the WHO had access to the events in China.
As I said Obama didn’t do anything about the swine flu for months, did that trouble you Bob or do have selective recall?

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LOL I’m glad that’s the most “pathetic” thing you’ve seen in media. I’ve seen much worse.

My knowledge of this statement is totally reliant on watching Trump say it on FOX at his daily ninety minute briefing. When you ask others to just consider what they witness with their own eyes to be complete nonsense, you lose all credibility. It doesn’t challenge any presented reality at all.