The Evangelical Universalist Forum

How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

IF a Prez is working for the country - not for his party alone - and he makes a mistake, or acts on bad information, etc - I can understand those that criticize him. I’ve done that to DT.
It is not an impeachable thing!! It is a human being acting FOR the USA. All of us.

IF a pol is say giving $150 billion to Iran, or say erasing 30,000 emails, or dealing OUR Uranium to Russia, or ignoring the soldiers in Benghazi - and I could go on - those things are not just mistakes - they are anti-American and probably criminal.

Calling for impeachment for mistakes is just stupid - we have after all elected People who by definition are fallible. It doesn’t excuse criminal activity or actual impeachable offenses.

IOW yes Trump has made mistakes - often because of bad information from the ‘Experts’ - but the fact that he is acting for us - all of us - is all I can ask.

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That’s fair. What for this nation are his most hurtful misinformed mistakes which you have criticized?

Trump has unveiled his guidelines. :smiley:

And Illinois where I live, will cordinate their plans with six other states. :smiley:

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I have never, ever found your posts tiresome Bob (but I guess I am being subjective? :-/)

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Thanks. I sense that we all typically see endless posts supporting our own views as not tiresome at all. But can find numerous rejoinders to our own passions a bit irritating. I’m surely guilty of this

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Exqactly Bob - I’m suffering from ‘confirmation bias’ when I read you… But yeah - these conversations here about Trump and about Covid-19 fill me with profound sadness and ven shuddering - and more so now I’ve had my first love one die from Covid-19. I won’t look in on them anymore here :slight_smile:

What’s new on the BBC today? :crazy_face:

Well, this has been tossed around here - by Trump and forum members. :crazy_face:

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And if the coronavirus and economy, aren’t bad enough. :crazy_face:

Oh, yes. The guidelines from Morning Brew. :crazy_face:

We all have our bad days, but Joe is having a LOT of them. How could we ever put him into the WH?

@Bob_Wilson does that sound like the candidate you want?

Really? What about Nancy, Chuck, the entire Left as well as the MSM - those don’t bother you either? Orange Man Bad is all we can talk about?

I am sorry for your loss, of course, I’m sure a lot of us will be touched by this thing.

Meanwhile, this grocery is still open. :smiley:

And US folks are protesting lockdowns. :crazy_face:


I’ve seen here much praise and defense of the President’s strong choices and qualities from most of us. And actually much bad mouthing of any exception to that, and of ‘Democrats.’

Now, this is an interesting question. :crazy_face:

I was wondering about this myself. :crazy_face:

And here’s some info, from an Illinois congressman. :smiley:

Dear Neighbors,

I hope the information in my last few messages has been useful to you and your family during this crisis and has helped you navigate the programs available to help you. If you have not found what you need, either here or in my previous messages, please contact my office at SSS. You can also tune in on social media where I’ve been holding a series of Fireside Chats in which I address your questions and concerns about this pandemic.

Stimulus Payments

As you may know, the IRS has started the process of distributing the economic stimulus checks of up to $1,200 for individuals and up to $2,400 for married joint filers, as well as an additional $500 for each child in eligible families. I know that some of you have already received your payment, but others have not. If you have not yet received your stimulus check, it’s probably still on the way and you can track its status with the IRS’s “Get My Payment App” here. If the Get My Payment App is unable to tell you the status of your payment, please contact my office at SSS, and we can help you resolve the issue.

Small Business Loans

Another major element of the CARES Act stimulus package was the small business loan program which began two weeks ago. Despite the potential of this program and the thousands of small businesses it has already helped, serious issues immediately emerged during its launch due to regulators only providing guidelines for the program hours before it launched. These failures led to many of the problems applicants have encountered since, and it’s why I’m working with colleagues from both parties to ensure the Treasury Department and Small Business Administration (SBA) fix the implementation of the law.

Many small businesses have been denied the ability to apply for Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans because their lenders are implementing various restrictions and requirements that were not expressly outlined in the CARES Act or the regulatory guidance provided by the Treasury. Such restrictions include requiring small businesses to have a pre-existing relationship with the lender or mandating that they have an open credit line to apply for a loan. Some lenders have even implemented restrictions on eligible loan applications based on business size, opting only to accept loans from businesses that have a certain number of employees. These lender-imposed requirements are inconsistent with the “first come, first serve” spirit and intent of the CARES Act and may inherently exclude the small businesses that need these critical funds the most.

To fix this issue, last week I sent a letter to Small Business Administration Administrator Jovita Carranza and to Secretary Mnuchin calling on them to ensure small businesses have access to Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans on a “first come first serve” basis in accordance with the original intent of the CARES Act. My letter called on the SBA and the Treasury to provide clear guidance that ensures small business owners can receive loans and that all necessary action is taken to absolve lenders of any perceived risks associated with lending to businesses where there is no pre-existing consumer relationship.

State and Local Aid

In addition to my work to fix the problems with the SBA loan program, I’m also working to ensure our state and local governments have the funding they need to continue to function and maintain key services such as the police and fire departments. Illinois’ Commission on Government Finance and Accountability recently predicted a potential 20 percent decrease in state revenues over the next few fiscal years and Governor Pritzker announced yesterday that our state faces a $2.7 billion budget shortfall for this year alone. That’s why I led congressional delegation letters to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, and U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin requesting the next coronavirus aid package include substantial additional funds for state and local governments as they bear the burden of this crisis.

Additional Resources

Those are just some of the steps I’ve taken to provide relief for all Americans in the midst of this pandemic. In addition, I want to make sure you are aware of all the resources available to you in this difficult time and I’ve included below a list of some of the programs and resources I have fought for and continue to fight for in Congress.

How would it benefit Trump to delay the election, he still would have to leave Jan20th

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I really don’t know. I’m like this guy. I’m just sharing the BBC topic article. :crazy_face:


Well, for those who hold to a technology tribulation, rather than a Z-Hell (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) one (although I am open to the possibility of both)…this might be the beginning. :crazy_face:


And this is a big cause for concern. :crazy_face:

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You see, Haiti can’t afford robots to replace dead humans. So there might be an exponential request of Voodoo doctors, to create replacement zombies. And this might affect the rest of the world (like COVID-19, coming from China). We could see The Walking Dead meet The Matrix. Hey, this idea is every bit as sound…as the coronavirus originating in a Chinese lab - without evidence… :crazy_face:

It turns out that, when it comes to the Wuhan flu, sunlight is the best disinfectant

By Andrea Widburg

With Trump and his team announcing a plan for reopening America and suffering Americans starting to put pressure on their governments to allow businesses to re-open, Democrats are panicking and rightly so. This is going to be the summer of sunlight for them: Sunlight that kills the Wuhan virus and, if Attorney General Bill Barr and Inspector General John Durham have their way, sunlight that exposes the Democrats’ and Deep States’ attempted coup against President Trump.

Judging by the Democrats’ political conduct of late, they think the Wuhan flu has benefits for them. They’re holding hurting Americans hostage in an effort to get their leftist policies enacted through the medium of a relief bill. They’re also hoping that a recession will hurt Trump because so much of his presidency has been premised on a strong economy. Ordinary people, however, would rather have jobs than play politics. That’s why we’re starting to see protests all over.

It’s therefore time to share the fact that there is good news about the Wuhan flu. First, although mass social distancing and shutdowns may have not been the best approach, we can see that they’ve taken the pressure off of emergency rooms and given the medical community time to figure out better treatment options (e.g., hydroxychloroquine, Remdesivir, putting ventilated patients on their stomachs, and not using ventilators as much).

Also, Farr’s law gives us hope. Michael Fumento, after castigating the “expert” models, all of which have proven false, explains that there is one model that works:

The only “model” with any success is actually quite accomplished and appeared in 1840, when a “computer” was an abacus. It’s called Farr’s Law, and is actually more of an observation that epidemics grow fastest at first and then slow to a peak, then decline in a more-or-less symmetrical pattern. As you might guess from the date, it precedes public health services and doesn’t require lockdowns or really any interventions at all. Rather, the disease grabs the low-hanging fruit (with COVID-19 that’s the elderly with co-morbid conditions) and finds it progressively harder to get more fruit.

So far, Wuhan Flu reflects Farr’s law, for it’s playing out at a predictable rate that spells its imminent end.

And then there’s Trump’s prediction (or hope) that the virus will end as the weather warms. It also turns out his instincts about warm weather were correct. The Wuhan flu, like other coronaviruses, doesn’t like sunlight:

Government tests show sunlight rapidly destroys the CCP virus, according to a Department of Homeland Security science and technology report.

“Sunlight destroys the virus quickly,” the report states.

Researchers simulated sunlight and found it greatly increased the inactivation rate of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, a novel coronavirus that emerged from mainland China last year, on surfaces relative to darkness.

The half-life of the virus was 2 minutes with full solar intensity, or similar to New York City or the District of Columbia during a clear day on summer solstice.

“Sunlight reduced infectious virus to undetectable levels after just 3 minutes of exposure to the solar equivalent of midday sun on a sunny day in the middle latitudes of the U.S.,” researchers wrote.

Half solar intensity killed the virus in 3 minutes while quarter intensity, equivalent to a clear day at the end of February, inactivated it in 4 minutes.

Locking Americans inside as the weather warms is stupid. It’s time to set us free because sunlight is literally the best disinfectant.

Figuratively, sunlight is also a great disinfectant, and we’re going to see that as AG Barr and IG Durham expose the Democrats’ machinations and start prosecuting bad actors. We’ve already seen footnotes and interviews showing that the FBI knew that its justification for spying against Trump was garbage. More of that information is going to leak and some of it will be so bad that even a D.C. Grand Jury will find it almost impossible not to issue indictments.

Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I firmly believe that life in America is going to get better very quickly with a virus-less summer (followed by a vaccination), a resurgent economy, and a lot of perp walks in Washington.

37% trust Trump on the coronavirus (PBS/Marist poll). 68% trust governors, 69% the CDC. I suspect one main reason for such a differential may be the president’s conflicting messages and tweets.

I sense Trump (& Biden) taking partisan shots amid a crisis increasingly becomes unwelcome, and the president’s use of a daily platform for this backfires.