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How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

He [Spencer] believes that there are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam, giving the example (3:25) of the Catholic Church’s official teaching on contraception: “Contraception is wrong, contraception is immoral, don’t contracept.” Yet

“Surveys show that 70-80-90 percent of Catholics use contraception. Now, we would be absolutely wrong, incorrect, to say ‘oh that means the Church doesn’t really teach that contraception is wrong’ . . . it’s just that most Catholics don’t pay attention. Islam really teaches warfare against unbelievers. A lot of Muslims don’t pay attention. That’s just great. The problem is that they have no theological leg to stand on in Islam, and therefore when they are challenged by the jihadis, and even when their children are recruited by the jihadis, they don’t have any answer.” - MavPhil

Dave, non-violent Muslims are not so wimpy as all that. Furthermore they DO have a theological leg to stand on.

Please check out the following links: The first one is a Muslim site that exalts Allah (The Arab word for “God”) and justifies non-violence from the Quaran, and gives examples of the teaching and practice of non-violent Muslim leaders. This site is called “living islam—islamic tradition.”

livingislam.org/m/unvi_e.html

The second link is a Huffington Post blog entitled **“Why Don’t Moderate Muslims Denounce Terrorism?” ** Then it gives evidence that they do. It refers to a lot of Muslim denouncement of violence, and refers to even Caliphs who have denounced it. Also, that Muslims themselves are more likely be be victims of extreme violence from Muslim terrorists, than non-Muslims.

huffingtonpost.com/kelly-james-clark/why-dont-moderate-muslims_b_8722518.html

. Islam really teaches warfare against unbelievers. A lot of Muslims don’t pay attention. That’s just great. The problem is that they have no theological leg to stand on in Islam, and therefore when they are challenged by the jihadis, and even when their children are recruited by the jihadis, they don’t have any answer." - MavPhil

Thank you Lord! Somebody gets it! :bulb:

Please check out the following links: The first one is a Muslim site that exalts Allah (The Arab word for “God”) and justifies non-violence from the Quaran, and gives examples of the teaching and practice of non-violent Muslim leaders. This site is called “living islam—islamic tradition.”

Yes the Quran has plenty of non-violence it, that is true. The problem is as it goes along and Muhammad encounters resistance he gets a bit cranky and starts getting more and more violent and writing about it’s necessity and the necessity to lie in the furtherance of Islam. Muslims regard the latter instructions of Muhammad to be more important then the earlier parts.

He himself beheaded hundreds of Christians. He set the example. The same polls we’ve been pointing to show that the younger generation of Muslims is more prepared to invoke Sharia, and to consider Muslim culture more viable than the culture they are now living in. Maybe that’s not significant, but they are the up and coming generation.
Don, I’m sorry, but I see a very dangerous situation, and I guess you don’t. Maybe it’s a matter of different temperaments.

Good one, qaz! :laughing:

DaveB and Steve, do you think we should have a travel ban on Jews too? Moses had someone stoned to death for picking up sticks.

No but i think we should ban sticks!

The domestic dog population, would become very upset. Besides, we would then need to learn - to throw other things. :exclamation: :laughing:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/wp-content/blogs.dir/445/files/2012/04/i-b27f851c10529e3241449a27afcff8f9-threestoogesbush.gif

The Irish are now getting worked up over Muslim atrocities.

Quotes:

A suicide bomber attacking a concert for little girls is a little earlier in the curve of depravity than I’d expected. But a nurse being cut to pieces as she minded the injured on London Bridge — at this point in the descent into the abyss, perfectly predictable. The Nazis hid their crimes. These people exult in theirs, knowing that the path to a moral nadir is paved with the public glorification of the most revolting violence. It is also paved with passivity, excuses and equivalence from the host communities.

Post-Hitlerian European societies have done something almost unprecedented in human history. They have mobilised their cultural defences not against outside threats but against those antibodies that are trying to protect them: almost the sociopolitical equivalent of Aids. Indeed, until very recently, being “racist” or an “Islamophobe” carried a far greater cultural taboo than did seeking to destroy the homogeneity or tranquillity of a society. Hence the crushing silence in Germany that greeted Angela Merkel’s treasonable decision two years ago to admit a million Muslim migrants.

The hijab — the full facial veil — is a public refutation of the norms of our society. After the shocking events across Europe over the past year, it should be taboo. Instead, it is becomingly increasingly common in Ireland, and any attempt to outlaw it would probably be denounced as “racist” — a meaningless term in this context, but no matter: the purpose of language here is not to achieve clarity but moral superiority. As (the now) President Higgins keeps telling us, Islam is a religion of peace.

Moreover, the Irish media will do almost anything to promote the notion that there is a rough equilibrium between Islamic and anti-Islamic violence. So RTE News reported at length on Wednesday on the shocking affair of a stone being thrown at a mosque in Galway. Yes, a stone actually being hurled at a building, and now live, over to our Galway correspondent: actually, no-one hurt, no-one even hit — but otherwise, goes the implicit message, it’s really six of one and half a dozen of the other. (Was this the same mosque where a couple of years ago, an RTE reporter repeatedly and pontifically addressed the imam as “Your Holiness”?)

No doubt this parity of victimhood is being promoted to prevent young Muslims being “radicalised”, as the expression goes. An interesting concept, this “radicalisation”. A radicalised Presbyterian turns purple and thunders about Popery. A radicalised Catholic attends five Tridentine Masses a day, bawling out loud in Latin while mainlining on incense. A radicalised member of the Church of Ireland will say that you’re probably right when you say there is no God, but evensong is jolly anyway. A radicalised member of the Church of England has two lumps of sugar in her tea, and yes, perhaps even a second fairy-cake. A radicalised Jew beats the bejayus out of his forehead against the Wailing Wall. And a radicalised Muslim?

You see? We’re using words differently, aren’t we? As we must, tip-toeing round the ecumenical garden wherein all religions are held to be equal, the only differences being stylistic. So, naturally, we ignore the poll ICM conducted for Channel 4 last year which revealed 20% of British Muslims approved of the 07/07 bombings in London,which killed 52 people and maimed many hundreds, and that two thirds of them would not report an Islamic terrorist threat to the authorities. Lovely. Lovelier still is that the figures for young Muslims are far, far worse.

We now know that multiculturalism doesn’t produce artistically enriching fusions but, instead, volitional apartheid. In Britain, immigrants have created autonomous Islamostans, often ruled by sharia law and even by the barbaric knife of FGM. There are many dazzling aspects to this, but perhaps the most wonderful has been the utter silence of British feminists, as hundreds — and perhaps thousands — of underage white girls have been groomed and raped by Muslim men, and uncountable numbers of Islamic girls circumcised.

Jesus, whom European societies have traditionally revered (until we began instead to worship The New Blessed Trinity of Secularism, Gay Rights and the Welfare State) urged us to turn the other cheek, and suggested that maybe he who was without sin might cast the first stone. Mohammed was a little less wobbly. He had 600 Qurayzah Jewish captives, mostly pubescent boys and men, but also one woman, beheaded. And (gays)? Why, stone ‘em to death. So how can anyone seriously maintain that two religions based on the words and deeds of such utterly different men are in any way comparable?

It’s probably futile saying this, so powerful is the “anti-racism”, “anti- Islamophobe” mob of prating, Christianity-hating liberals, but I believe that we have no historic choice but to seriously restrict the numbers of Muslims moving to Ireland.

-Kevin Myers, quoted by MavPhil
maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/ … -them.html

Yes, I like to read Comic Books. It’s what every Geek and Nerd does - to keep their Geek and Nerd union card. And probably for the same reason, that Chicago columnist Mike Royko, liked to read supermarket tabloids.

Today, I found an interesting commentary on YouTube. It was by Roman Catholic blogger Douglass Ernst. He talks about Islam, gay rights and Christianity - in Iceman #1. Very interesting.

Randy - you are one of a kind, in the good way.

I have a favor to ask, but no hard feelings if you tell me to go throw myself into a bunch zombies. :smiley:

Would you consider linking to those clips and vids and cartoons and such? It’s a little disheartening to make a post, and 10 seconds later it’s followed by one of yours that takes up 3-4 full screens. I promise to click! A shorter post just gets lost in the noise, if you see what I mean.

LIke I said, no hard feelings either way. :smiley:

I can’t guarantee anything. But these days, I am more into GIF animation. Which is really limited, in scope and duration. And I only post videos, if I am making a point. Which the video illustrates.

And considering this forum, has an undermined end point…My Holy Fool days, will be over some time - on this forum. The difference between “weird theologies” presented here and my Holy Fool theology - is this. I try to act mine out - in virtual reality - using visual prompts or graphics. Probably a throwback, to my days with direct response and technology copywriting. :laughing:

But I’ll try to follow the Buddhist middle path and the Red Road (Native American), path of balance here. I’ll link to YouTube videos - going forward. Try to eliminate the cartoons. But embed GIF graphics, that correspond to thread related, keyword searches - I conduct.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56bfd2d04c2f85a60a9e8e39/t/56e140e804426223be30caf9/1457602804917/

Thank you Randy. I have no wish to quench the Holy Fool tradition!

Two things I have learned early in life. Don’t insult the prophet Mohammad or the King of Thailand. Check out today’s BBC news story:

'Facebook blasphemer’ given death penalty

Yikes.

Just a simple, common-sense vetting, to try to keep out those who are hell-bent on Jihad, is not a ban.

I remember taking a particular philosophy course. And the professor, mentioned the ancient religious practice - of temple prostitution. Well, I don’t know much, about the ancient version. But the Zombies have enacted, a very interesting variation. They do post a guard outside, to keep outsiders away And I can neither confirm nor deny, whether I have ever observed - or participated in - such a religious observance. Actually, their practice might not be any stranger, then some of the theologies presented here. Which deviate substantially, from the theological, bell shaped curve. :laughing:

I was commenting about the common-sense vetting, nothing else.

Robert Spencer’s Ban from the U.K.
The following from a London correspondent:

Quite incredibly, Spencer is still banned from visiting the UK because of what he says in this short (2:07) YouTube video. The letter from the Home Office, then under the auspices of Theresa May, said:

You are reported to have stated the following:

It [Islam] is a religion and a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society … because [of] political correctness and because of media and general government unwillingness to face the sources of Islamic terrorism these things remain largely unknown.<<

The Home Secretary considers that should you be allowed to enter the UK you would continue to espouse such views. In doing so. you would be committing listed behaviours and would therefore be behaving in a way that is not conducive to the public good.

You are therefore instructed not to travel to the UK as you will be refused admission on arrival. Although there is no statutory right of appeal against the Home Secretary’s decision, this decision is reviewed every 3 to 5 years.

I don’t think that is the answer, either. Europe is paying a big price for this PC ‘thinking’.

I don’t think that is the answer, either. Europe is paying a big price for this PC ‘thinking’.

Sadly Europe has barely begun to pay a price.