Well hot damn!! Perzactly correct.
Sorry Randy you can be bold and lay your life down without violence like the Christian martyrs the apostle Paul and Jesus did. Jesus sends us out like sheep in the midst of wolves.
Sorry Michael, I will no longer read your responses to this. I didnât read that one either. Not trying to diss you, itâs that you are driving me nuts. You may say itâs because of your deep spirituality and that my deep carnality is offended.
Whatever it is - no mas.
Itâs nothing but ego to be a follower of Trump like you are Dave. Itâs not about whoâs the biggest and the baddest but compassion even on our enemies. Even if it leads to torture and death like the Apostle Paul, Jesus, and the Christian martyres went through.
If I were a BETTING manâŚand the tribulation and the Zombie Apocalypse occurred todayâŚAnd a zombie was coming to eat MichaelâŚand he had a loaded gun and knife near himâŚI would bet ANYTHING, he would either shoot the zombie in the headâŚor stab it in the head. 
Nope. Iâm not a narcissistic sociopath like Trump and his followers. Too bad they donât have medication for that.
Well, such pacifists are not always protected from the violence of the government authorities, and those authorities can be pretty violentâin more ways than one.
During World War 2, a Hutterite man in United States was conscripted. He refused to participate in the war because of his convictions about obedience to Jesusâ instructions to love your enemies, do good to them, etc. The police came and arrested the man and put him into prison. He died shortly afterward in prison. When the manâs wife came to get the body, she found to her horror that her dead husband was dressed in a military uniform. One of the prison authorities said to her, âHe wouldnât wear it in life; let him wear it in death.â
Very true, Don. He did the honorable thing considering his convictions. Many unjust things were done during the WWII period in the USAâshameful things. I wish I could say weâre better than that now. In some ways maybe we are, but in other ways we are worse and, I fear, approaching socialistic fascism in the vein of Mussolini and Chavez. Governments are historyâs true mass murderers, hands down. One more reason I donât trust them at all.
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I wonder if we could go back in time like Germany 1928 or Russia 1920 and we had the chance to kill Hitler or Stalin and save millions of innocent lives and somehow hypothetically no one would know, do you think it would be morally right or justified?
Thank you for your response, Cindy. I wonât state the cause of the manâs death in prison, because I donât know the cause. Nevertheless, I have a pretty strong opinion about it.
All I can say, Steve, is that if we are disciples of Christ, we would be acting contrary to His instructions. Jesus Himself never killed anyone.
What if one of Jesusâ disciples had killed Judas, so that Jesus would not have died that painful death? Would that have been morally justified?
We donât really know what would have happened if Dietrich Bonhoeffer had succeeded in killing Hitler. For all we know, the ramifications may have been even worse. There could have been even far more deaths and suffering people. The same with Stalin. If someone had killed him, there may have arisen an even more cruel form of Communism.
This is the craziest stuff Iâve ever heard. Figuring out if we are to act in violence, through conversation??? No reasonable person ever acts violently without incredible provocation. And that means Governments as well as citizens.
Unfortunately, if you ever get there, if you have to use some kind of force, youâll never want to return. Having to react violently to others is probably the worst experience one could have. Thus Christâs âlove your enemyâ dictum was both useful and provocative, as it steered humanity to a place they had never been.
Just an opinionâŚ
To reprise an earlier post of mine, in light of the nonsense talk about guns: CLICK IT TO OPEN or you will miss the wonderfulness 
No that is not Tommy Lee Jones 
"It should be clear that this whole preoccupation with Trumpâs past sex life has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with humiliating Trump â and, thereby, hopefully weakening the Trump presidency â the raison dâetre of the media since he was elected. Hereâs one proof: The media rightly celebrate, as we all do, Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. as one of the moral greats of the 20th century despite reports of his having committed adultery on numerous occasions. [I would add that he also plagiarized portions of his Boston University dissertation.]
Likewise, the media and the Left idolized Sen. Ted Kennedy, regularly referring to him as the âLion of the Senate.â Yet Kennedy was notorious for his lechery â far more so than Trump. Typical Ted Kennedy behavior, as described in New York magazine, was when he and then-fellow Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd âparticipated in the famous âwaitress sandwichâ at La Brasserie in 1985, while their dates were in the bathroom.â
John F. Kennedy remains the most revered of Democratic presidents in the modern era. Yet we now know he routinely had affairs in the White House in his wifeâs absence and had the Secret Service provide him advance notice of her return.
And, by the way, if sexual infidelity invalidates the character and, therefore, the worthiness of a politician, why doesnât it invalidate the character and worthiness of an editor at The New York Times or The Washington Post? Why arenât their sex lives investigated? They have, after all, more influence than almost any politician." - Dennis Prager
Today, Iâve shared this on Twitter. This Map Gives You a Peek into the Dark Web http://ow.ly/7VXB30jdonW. I try to let folks know - whatâs happening.
In addition to my normal messages, regarding the up-and-coming tribulation and the Zombie Apocalypse . Along with Peter Popoffâs, miracle spring water. 
Iâll just give my two cents worth (admittedly thatâs only about 1 cent US) to this pacifist discussion.
In the early fifties, I was bullied at school by a boy from a grade higher than I mine. He always had a sidekick with him to be impressed by his bullying. One day, the bully went too far and I reacted by beating him up quite badly. I am not necessarily proud of doing that, but the fact is he never bullied me again, or other kids as far as I know. That experience impressed on me that I am able to defend myself and others if and when it is necessary.
I can tell you this, with absolute certainty: if I was present when any man attempted to rape my wife or, worse, one of my young granddaughters, I would not hesitate to step up and give him the thrashing of his life. Having worked with many Hutterite colonies here in Alberta, I am absolutely certain that any Hutterite husband or grandfather would do the same thing.
Jordan Petersonâs first ârule for lifeâ: Stand up straight with your shoulders back. (Donât be or appear to be submissive to bulliesâThereâs more to it than that, but maybe Iâve at least captured a part of the essence of what Peterson had to say.)
Iâve been reading Petersonâs book and viewing him on the internet. Iâm starting to see that the problem isnât so much Trump as it is Liberal Relativism rooted in social Marxism. I still think we should love the enemy though. Petersonâs point isnât combat but confidence.
As far as this being a pacifist conversation sorry. Christ commanded us to love the enemy. This is the very thing the Christian martyrs spilled their blood for. Itâs nothing but the Christian who stands up boldly without being violent as they love the enemy.