The Evangelical Universalist Forum

How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Disagree with you on just about every point you made, but you have been closer to Trump than I have!!

You don’t know much about American politics if you don’t understand why Blacks usually vote Democratic. If you like, I can send you MUCH information that will explain it clearly.

Mexico will pay for the wall.

Did the pro-life, pro-christian comment not sink in? I thought those were important points.

I actually had the answer here, when Hermano brought up the topic elsewhere. Trump just needs to encourage Taco Bells…to be opened up in Mexico - by the boatload. Most folks from Mexico…hermano included (I’m guessing there)…will agree it’s not real Mexican food. They will pay for the wall - in a hurry :exclamation: Let’s dedicate a song to that. :laughing:

If that is the case, can you explain why a disproportionately greater number of blacks support Democratic candidates rather than Republican?

I would never have guessed that such a large percentage of the U.S. citizens are so intent on supporting Trump, right or wrong. To get around Trump’s extremism, they have to hold the position that most of the media is lying.

The fact is the Democrats have a policy of keeping blacks on welfare or other programs so they remain dependent and psychologically think to maintain the benefits they must keep voting Democratic. In college i was a liberal, in the 90s i was a moderate Democrat , even voting for Clinton but after observing the policies of the Dems over the years i understand they are all about their lust for power, now i’m Conservative!

I don’t know any Trump supporter who supports him right or wrong, not one, and frankly it sounds crazy. BTW Trump’s so called extremism (like a wall) was supported by Obama, Chuck Schumer & Hillary a decade ago, but today’s Dem party is not the party of JFK or even Bill Clinton.

To get around Trump’s extremism,

Care to give examples?

Don, you don’t have a dog in this fight. :open_mouth:

But I appreciate your input. :slight_smile:

Thanks Dave

Oh. Is this a fight? I didn’t realize that. I thought it was a forum in which to express one’s thoughts.

That will NEVER happen! Upon what do you base your belief, Dave? Just on Trump’s asseveration?
Saying something in a way so as to sound certain, absolute, final, etc. doesn’t make it so—even if the speaker is Donald Trump.
By the way, did you know that the name “Donald” means “World ruler?” I am surprised that Trump hasn’t made hay of that fact with his lackeys—I mean “followers.”

Pro-life
Pro-Christian.
Pro-American.

Bad character? Probably - certainly caustic, ego-driven, etc etc - but no worse on those accounts than all the politicians on the Hill.

I chose the better of the two options, Don, that’s all, and I’m hoping he can get done what is good for all of us. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t. But the past 8 years have been BAD for America and Americans, and blacks have suffered more than the rest.

I’ve never said he was a hero of mine - he’s not. But all his detractors do is detract - at least he is moving in the right direction.

Can we not give him more than 4 days in office to see what he does???

AS to the media here in the U.S., it is rated very low by the population. Its excesses, manipulations, outright lies, blatant propaganda and outright leftist advocacy, rather than reportage, has been documented clearly for years.

Here is a sample of what many, if not most?, citizens believe about the media:

"In a society fed by information, the media is exploiting its corporate control over the airwaves and its deep pockets to consolidate control over the national conversation in order to control the political process. This is a blow aimed at the very heart of democracy and if it is allowed to continue, it will lead to a Mediacracy where major media corporations act as the Praetorian Guard for the country.

The media’s attempt to impose its Mediacracy has completely destroyed its credibility with the public. Very few people trust the media anymore. Viewership ratings have dropped badly. Newspapers are going out of business and newscasts are going unwatched… but that hasn’t halted the Mediacracy’s power grab. The media is destroying its own business model and its traditional role in American life in the hopes of carving out the Mediacracy.

A free society with open elections is most vulnerable at the interface between the voting public and the political candidates. That is where the Mediacracy has attempted to cut democracy’s throat by controlling that interface. The internet has lessened its power, but it still has the inside track and it no longer has even the pretense of professional ethics.

Journalism is dead. Mediacracy is the new model. Mediacracy is not interested in truth or facts, only in power. It is not interested in providing a service to readers, but in controlling them. Mediacracy is strangling democracy and restoring a healthy democracy and the integrity of the political process requires confronting the threat of Mediacracy head on."

Comparing Donald Trump to Hitler is really pretty crazy at this point. Every President who gets elected is somebody’s anti-Christ. Considering that the elite of both parties are co-conspirators in the new world order, certainly Hillary Clinton was no saint, and clearly demonstrated that she was not qualified in competence or character. We know DT lacks character(so did Bill C)- we will see if he is competent or not over time. what most people dont get is the race thing is a manifestation of a deeper class thing. As long as they can keep us fighting about race, we wont look at the class warfare that is being waged, and unite to prevent the oligarch’s from increasing their stranglehold.

Thats why I say… “Fix your eyes on Jesus, move to the country, , and pray!”

“And keep yer powder dry”

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Paidion said:

It was a figure of speech :smiley:

That’s why folks should look to foreign media (in English), that has less of a stake - in US politics. And are deemed more objective. First and foremost, the BBC at bbc.com/news. And if you catch them on a PBS station, so much the better. Or france24.com/en/ or dw.com/en/tv/dw-news/s-3232, from France and Germany respectively.

Trump will need to learn to be more diplomatic - with other countries. You can’t force your views on other countries, like Asia (i.e. China), Europe or Latin America (i.e. Mexico), without a mutual buy in. Otherwise, it’s like Negan and the Saviors. On the AMC zombie show - the Walking Dead. Eventually, everyone gets tired of being pushed around. And they fight back.

For some strange reason, Donald Trump reminds me of Rupus T Firefly :exclamation: :laughing:

There may be a couple of somewhat balanced new sources in Europe, but mainly I think not.

frontpagemag.com/fpm/265555/ … ruce-bawer

I have friends in the Netherlands who read and watch news - and had never heard a discouraging word about Obama, Hillary, the ‘secret server’ in the bathroom, the 30,000 deleted emails, the IRS targeting of conservative groups, the excesses of planned parenthood - in other words, their exposure to the full picture was non-existent. When they came to visit us, I was shocked at what they did not know.

I correspond with some folks in Australia who had experienced much the same extreme media bias but also tried to find a balance in more conservative venues as well.

I think it can be shown that right now, the European press is very skewed, intentionally.

My $.02

Rather the the “opinions” of Dave…Or some “newscaster”…Are there any studies, to back up your “hypothesizes”…Either in Europe, Australia or elsewhere? Or even statistical polls, that validates your viewpoints? I would be particularly interested in any, concerning the BBC news service. Maybe the leader, Kim Jong-un, has some research data?

But back to biases. To what degree? What extent? Every person has biases. And there are some articles, to confirm it in news outlets:

sciencenews.org/blog/culture-beaker/unbiased-computer-confirms-media-bias
newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664
poynter.org/2016/is-media-bias-really-rampant-ask-the-man-who-studies-it-for-a-living/435840/

I’m sure if I lived in Russian or China, I would get the official party line news or viewpoints.

The way to minimize bias, is to get the news - from a variety of sources. For me, it’s the classical radio station WFMT, the BBC news, and news from the CBS, NBC and ABC stations. Then I try to make up my own mind.. Perhaps we need to hire zombies or P-Zombies - as reporters and newscasters?

I said that there might be a couple of somewhat-balanced venues ‘over there’.

Okay, I’m becoming a PITA on this topic. :blush: And a bit obsessive. My wife often has to stop me when I get on a ‘Dammit, I want to get to the truth of this’ search. It’s hard for me to stop before I hurt someone’s feelings. Immature.

I really have a hard time not knee-jerking when I see something obviously untrue, and could certainly use a dose of tact.

On behalf of someone seeking the truth, I’ll petition leader, Kim Jong-un…and a crop of P-Zombie and Zombie, newscasters and reporters - to help you out, Dave. :exclamation: :wink:

http://paradoxoff.com/files/2012/04/zombie-reporter.jpg

In other words, bidness as usual :laughing:

Is Trump stupid?

"The media is all abuzz, again, about the fact that President Trump spent some time during his televised interview with ABC anchor David Muir pointing out the large size of the crowd in photos of his inauguration. Journalists, who still don’t seem able to understand that Trump is almost always several steps ahead of them, once again are heralding the president’s seeming preoccupation with the issue.

Is the president actually so thin-skinned that he needs the world to acknowledge that a huge number of people turned out to honor him as he was sworn in? Um, no.

So what’s really going on in his mind? Here’s my opinion: Everything Donald Trump does is strategically calculated to achieve a goal. His communication is designed not to simply convey his gut feelings, but to make people focus on one thing — call it a decoy — so he can do six other things while they’re distracted.

In this case, Trump has masterfully used the media’s pathetic naiveté and desire to battle him to make them focus on a throwaway battle — his seeming obsession with crowd size (which I can almost guarantee he could not care less about) — while he determinedly does what he does care about: signing orders that resurrect pipeline projects, retooling our broken immigration laws, laying the groundwork for a better health care system and preparing to build the wall.

For journalists who still don’t get it, here it is, again, in direct terms: When Trump says something like “If I were you I would take your camera and look at the size of the crowd,” he is actually saying, “Let’s debate crowd size, again, because otherwise you might ask me questions about my real and historically powerful plans and ideas, which I don’t trust you to report on fairly, anyhow.”

A journalist who might even come close to Trump’s level of strategic communication should then say, “Ah, the old watch this hand while I work magic with my other one? No, we shall not linger an instant on that silly issue my colleagues in the media are focused on. Let’s sit down and talk about the pipelines, again. I don’t want to walk around and snort another line of that drug you know the media is addicted to.”

The drug, by the way, is called taking the easy path of the pithy, sensational, stupid story. And lots of journalists who get paid lots of money seem to be hopelessly hooked on it.

The rest of us, over the next 90 days or eight years, will watch Trump masterfully ignite one squabble after another that the members of the press fall all over themselves to engage in, while he remakes the world.

Man, I am just so happy this guy went to work for us. I’m still pinching myself. It’s like a miracle."

Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team.

Much of the media is in the propaganda business. (whether they know it or accept it) If you like the propaganda, you call it news. If you don’t, well…

The notion of unbiased ‘reporting’ may be a thing of the past since we as a global electronic world have conditioned ourselves to search out information sources that cater to our liking. We point at the great minds and writers that see things our way and say ‘there is the truth.’ :slight_smile:

I’m not sure true *unbiased news *would even be saleable today. News has taken on a cultural context. Many will pick a news source simply because they like the delivery of a certain man or woman. :wink:

The sheer volume of information has been on one hand a boon because of the access to global info, and a bane because of the nearly impossible task of shifting through the mire. :unamused: