Don,
That’s awesome that you helped those people, However there are 180 million people in the Western Hemisphere that want to come here and i’m guessing another 300 million from Africa at least, if they could. This would impoverish the USA , putting aside safety for the moment. So if you let in one caravan then you really have no reason not to let in everyone! That’s not realistic or fair to the citizens of America who have a right to self determination and a right to have a sovereign nation. When you say Canada did this or that please consider he number of people you are referring to is a few thousand compared to the millions of migrants we already have now.
Tear gas is a minimal response which Obama used dozens of times and is known to be a safe response , even though our media likes to portray it as gassing. BTW Paidion you may be pleased to know that although the caravan has mostly been kept out, many small groups of migrants are still getting in. Just ask California where 70% end up on govt assistance programs.
BTW Australia has pretty strict immigration laws as I understand it.
Ouch! That’s YOUR reaction to my question? I can understand you maybe not liking a mirror being held up; it’s amazing however you refuse to acknowledge that… “taking shots at the USA” OVERWHELMINGLY occurs from your own fellow citizens, as opposed to being committed by anyone else — and yet your right to bear arms against each other, well… eerie silence.
Yes we do… and it is shameful and embarrassing. Ever since the actual terrorists of 9/11 struck our then conservative government hyped and milked the fear-factor of that evil tragedy for all it was worth to their own political ends.
It was at that time when the government changed their language from refugees seeking asylum TO illegal arrivals trying to take over… and of course all our rednecks lapped it up — most disappointing.
Don’t be an idiot. We are aware of our problems, we LIVE with them.
So - completely open borders is your advice, to help us with our problems?
I usually don’t get political, but you guys are crazy if you think we should open the borders. Not just crazy, but likely living under some idealistic notion that everyone is a good person. I cant stand the arrogance of Canadians. Must be nice not to have any need of military, as you know you can come sniveling to the US for aid.Luckily no one wants that tundra laced land called Canada, so you likely wouldn’t be invaded anyway. So I say, let’s send all the refugees to you guys. I mean, Canada should raise their taxes and spend all their money on getting some cruise ships down there to haul them all up in your country, then pay to feed them indefinitely until such time they can be checked out properly. If Canada did that, I’d concede they are superior nation. Unfortunately, they are hiding behind an American curtain, while taking shots at it.
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I’ve made no mention of “borders” at all…
I know, that’s why I was asking.
But otoh, a few facts:
Cesar Chavez - Hispanic hero of the Left - hated illegal immigration. He led a march against illegal immigrant workers in 1969, along with Walter Mondale and a close aide to Dr. King. In 1979 he sent armed union guys into the desert to beat illegal border crossers. Scabs had their houses firebombed, with Chavez’s permission. Clinton called for a national holiday, a college was named after him, lots of schools bear his name as well. Oh how the Left has changed.
Until recently, most Democrat leaders also opposed illegal immigration. Fact. Why? Among other reasons, the 1980 mass migration of refugees drove down blue-collar wages in Miami by 30%.
In 1975, California governor Jerry "Moonbeam’ Brown OPPOSED refugees from VietNam, saying it was silly to let in 500,000 refugees when California had a million unemployed citizens at the time.
Oh how the Left has changed.
Joe Biden agreed, and entered legislation to curb the arrival of those refugees. Oh how Joe has changed.
Or this:
Or that American progressive hero, Bill Clinton:
Bill Clinton Immigration Speech 1995
All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.
The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants.
The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.
That’s why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.
In the budget I will present to you. We will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes. To better identify illegal aliens in the workplace. As recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan.
We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws.
It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years. And we must do more to stop it.
Hillary, Schumer, and Obama all voted for a FENCE on the Mexican border
NO DEMOCRAT would accept those things NOW. None.
Now - there are at least 22 million illegal immigrants in America (Yale Study), and most vote Democratic. Could that possibly be why the Democrats have so hypocritically decided to throw the middle class, and the LEGAL immigrants, under the bus?
There’s more - a 5 minute video lays it out:
https://youtu.be/qUU2iWxrH2M.
Did you get that 22 million number? A little more or less - probably more.
So yes we are sensitive when we are criticized.
Well I can’t speak to your ‘royal we’ Dave… but with your own sensitivities pricked YOU sure got testy having had your rank hypocrisy held in front of you when called on demonizing as “terrorists” those who you say kill your kindred — and yet these prove more to be of your own and not foreign terrorists.
So, you have something in common…
What’s Donald Trump’s stance…on me leading the zombies, into the US?
“If at first you don’t succeed, then skydiving definitely isn’t for you.”-- Steven Wright
Re-kill all of them plus their babies and pets, because that’s what haters do.
Much safer for you would be Canada or Australia.
You look great on that bike, RKOZ!
Send them to CA where they will be welcome if they vote Democratic and then they can immediately get on welfare!
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OK, I confess I am an immigrant. I left the UK in 1975 to escape from socialism when Harold Wilson became prime minister and announced that my children - I had four at the time - were not really mine to educate but rather their education was the responsibility of the state. I now find that the socialist governments in both Alberta and Ottawa want to indoctrinate all children into their way of thinking and life, e.g. by making it hard or impossible for Christian schools to exist. That’s just one example.
When I immigrated to Canada I had to prove, by means of a police report, that I was law-abiding. I had to prove that I had sufficient education and skills to support myself and my family. I had to show that I had a job to go to. In other words, I was vetted and rightly so. It certainly wasn’t an open door policy but I didn’t think for one minute that I was being badly treated.
I would respectfully suggest that the US is well within its rights, legally and morally, to similarly control immigration. I understand that immigration is encouraged, but also that it must be legal, along the lines of Canadian policy. There is a process to be legally followed and tens or hundreds of thousands of would-be immigrants are abiding by the process, patiently waiting their turn. Activists, many funded by millionaires who never open their gated estates to any would-be immigrant, along with those who might profit from drug-smuggling, child prostitution and similar atrocities, try to circumvent the law for their own nefarious ends. That is the reality that Donald Trump is trying to fight, rightly so in my opinion. The left-wing media and politicians in the States are unwittingly, or even wittingly, doing there best to destroy all that is good about America.
On an other completely different subject - except that it is also about Canada - I’m going to talk about so-called global warming, climate change or whatever is the latest term used by left-wing alarmists. Canada possesses the longest unprotected coastline in the planet, unprotected because we are down to our last floatable warship, the others all being reduced to scrap or in dry docks for whatever repairs can keep them functionable. So, as a sovereign country, we find ourselves totally dependent on the United States for our defense. What business do we have, therefore, to lecture the US on policies it deems are best for the US? None!
Finally, the following chart may be of interest, again since we In Canada proudly host far more polar bears than the US or any of the socialist countries in Europe. It would appear that Al Gore’s predictions of a total demise of polar bear populations were false, along with all the other doomsday scenarios that continue to be proclaimed by alarmists.
The chart (dated 2017) indicates that, despite Arctic ice extent dropping 38% since 1979, the polar bear population has increased by 16%. Global warming, presumably, is the culprit for forcing polar bears to reproduce at an unprecedented rate.
But a good solution to combat climate change is surely the forcing of unsightly wind farms on every windswept moor in the countrysides of the world? Not really.
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Eagles are not the only victims. Smallwood also estimated that Altamont killed an average of 300 red-tailed hawks, 333 American kestrels and 380 burrowing owls annually – plus even more non-raptors, including 2,526 rock doves and 2,557 western meadowlarks.In 2012, breaking the European omerta on wind farm mortality, the Spanish Ornithological Society (SEO/Birdlife) reviewed actual carcass counts from 136 monitoring studies. They concluded that Spain’s 18,000 wind turbines [are killing 6-18 million birds and bats yearly.
Extrapolating that and similar (little publicized) German and Swedish studies, 39,000 U.S. wind turbines would not be killing “only” 440,000 birds (USFWS, 2009) or “just” 573,000 birds and 888,000 bats (Smallwood, 2013), but 13-39 million birds and bats every year!
However, this carnage is being covered up by self-serving and/or politically motivated government agencies, wind industry lobbyists, environmental groups and ornithologists, under a pile of misleading studies paid for with more taxpayer money.
Well, that’s enough of a rant for today. I fail to understand why it is that nobody, especially governments of all stripes, steadfastly refuse to engage in serious debate about global warming/climate change. Are they afraid of finding out that the gazillions of dollars being spent in a thankless and meaningless battle are simply being totally wasted for no good reason? At least, the few good citizens of Paris are not afraid to venture their opinions.
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Thank you, Dave. As I will become a formal New Catechumen, of the EO - OCA branch in Janurary…and an current attendee, in the RC RCIA program…someone told me, that the OCA Club President (AKA Chief Priest), blesses the members motorcycles - once a year. So I can become an official, patched-in member - with a blessed motorcycle to boot. But I really don’t think, he blesses zombies. Pity!
These are all political talking points. But to be certain, if an immigrant comes into a new country, one of three things will happen…
1 they will find work and better themselves, from where they were
2 they won’t find work and will have to be helped
3 they won’t find work and desperation will set in leading to who knows what
The vetting process of ALL countries are designed to control that flow of immigration, and it is a good thing.
We can look at immigration (as a country) as a good thing that brings new blood and ideas into our nations or we can see it as a catastrophe.
All countries should protect their boarders. But also be understanding to those fleeing persecution or hard times. The problem in the US comes when hard working folks (who many are barely making it through the day themselves) are presented with a situation of a mass of bodies deciding that ‘we don’t like where we live and your country looks better, so here we come.’ Many have visions of US citizens loosing work or having to pay for immigrant health care when they can’t afford their own.
It is a tough situation. But once again, much of it is political.
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I love the quote from Bill Clinton’s 1995 State of the Union, above. And the Party was all for it.
He got a standing ovation!!
That’s probably the bottom line and politicians know how to peddle fear to their ends.
Hum! Something about the land down under, from today’s BBC news. Is Australia becoming a “police state”?
Perhaps instead of singing:
This is the dawning, of the age of Aquarius.
We will be singing:
This is the dawning, of the age of Australia.
And we will all, be singing the chorus
Where’s the sunshine?
Yes it is the good ole’ conservative cringe of our politics down this way… the ruling party are on the nose so they are deflecting from all their troubles to what they see as their strong suit, i.e., anti-immigration and terrorist rhetoric — and our rednecks love it; BUT after years of lies the general populous are finally seeing through it, and in all likelihood the pack of lying hyenas will be thrown out at the next election… and that can’t come soon enough.
9/11 wasn’t rhetoric.
But I digress. The pro-open-border Dems at least have their priorities right (sarcasm): prayer spaces for Muslims, but not for Christians.
I guess I touched a raw nerve, did I Gabey? Or are you simply unwilling to accept the philanthropy of the Canadian Government and many Canadian people at the time that Vietnamese escapees needed help in order to survive?
What you have written about Canada “hiding behind an American curtain” and “not having any military” is absolute nonsense. Did Canada lack military when its soldiers participated in WWII against the axis nations? Why did the U.S.A. enter the war so late? Did they have no military at an earlier time?