The Evangelical Universalist Forum

If everyone will be saved what is the point of having this life when we know all will be saved in the future?


#1

We had a question in chapel about, “what the point of this world is if there is a next world to come.” I bit my tongue and let others answer this one because of my universalism.

I am curious how you all would answer it?


#2

I would say that the purpose of this life is, by the grace of God, to participate in the process of being saved from wrongdoing, and developing a righteous character. If that purpose is not being fulfilled, then it will be necessary for God to correct us post-mortem. And that correction process may be unpleasant and, if we resist it, take a long time.


#3

Here’s a take from way back -
“The glory of Christianity is the pure and lofty action which it communicates to the human mind. It does not breathe a timid, abject spirit. If it did it would deserve no praise. It gives power, energy, courage, constancy to the will; love, disinterestedness, enlarged affection to the heart; soundness, clearness, and vigour to the understanding. It rescues him who receives it from sin, from the sway of the passions; gives him the full and free use of his best powers; brings out and brightens the divine image in which he was created; and in this way not only bestows the promise but the beginning of heaven. This is the excellence of Christianity.” - Channing of course :slight_smile:

Christianity is much more than being ‘saved’ at the end - it’s about imitating God in this life, like well-beloved children love and imitate their Father. It’s about developing the depth of character and the height of our fulfilled potential in this life - as a preparation for the next. And much more…


#4

If there were no “this life”, then would humanity exist? Would the Word have become flesh, died on a cross & resurrected?


#5

Maybe we should just grab the bull by the horns here and say it: This life here and now is for developing the character we will carry with us and be judged on in the next life. Not judged as to whether we are ‘saved’ or not, but as to the rewards we have been promised IFF we are faithful, obedient; to the losses we will have to endure for unfaithfulness and disobedience, and to the corrections of our character that we need to grow better and better and thus happier and happier forever.
We cannot hide behind Jesus and expect to be rewarded for His faithfulness - God has done us the appalling compliment of loving our souls infinitely, and entrusting us to develop them in a Christlike manner. We have to do that - in partnership with HIm on our journey to Him.
Yes those are sobering facts. We gotta deal with it. We will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. It is up to us IN THIS LIFE to be found worthy - not perfect of course!! Duh…

" “Be thou glad sleeper and thy sorrow offcast. I am the gate to all good adventure.”


#6

I’d say to learn. I don’t see how this is related to universalism, whether all are saved or not, the question remains the same.


#7

Perhaps if none of humanity (rational beings) experienced pain and death, lasting happiness would be impossible. Talbott said something along those lines in TILOG. I have apeirophobia (fear of living forever). The moments I get the most relief, tragically, are when loved ones die. At those moments I most want immortality, for myself and my deceased loved ones. Perhaps if we didn’t know death, we wouldn’t appreciate life to the extent we need to to be happy for eternity.


#8


#9

This life is a temporal classroom to prepare us for eternity.

As beings with free will, we need to learn to obey, rest in, and enjoy God (though Jesus, by the Holy Spirit). The extent to which we learn these classroom lessons—on earth, or in hell and then the lake of fire—will determine how profoundly we enjoy eternity.

Or more likely, there are no limits: our free will choices will continue in eternity, allowing us to go on learning and growing and advancing perpetually in our experience of God and His love.


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