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Is the Bible Misogynistic?

These questions are difficult to answer. I myself am undecided as to whether there is an absolute morality. Take poligomy, for example. If both parties are ok with it, is it really wrong? I have a hard time saying yes. Yet, I also acknowledge the the concept of someone having the right to an opinion as the standard when one hasn’t accepted an absolute morality is problematic to defend.

The best answer that I can come up, off the cuff is that morality being relative seems objective enough to me. If a group of people agree that xyz is important, then I think we can establish right and wrong.

That said, I tend to think basic morality isn’t relative (murder, theft, primarily) but I can’t say for certain. Generally speaking, morality can be deduced by applying the golden rule.

For the record, I am hardly an apologist for the agnostic view, even less for full on atheistic view. However, I am certain they have a much more reasoned arguments than what I gave you. I am merely talking out loud on many if these issues, because they are not altogether clear to me. I don’t see a slam dunk case. I see reasonable arguments on both sides.

I read this a while ago, but this would be the basic defense against the relativistic argument. I find the argument well reasoned, yet I am still undecided. Perhaps, because I know nothing in the end. Moral Relativity

The periscope often understood as a prostitute being the one who washed Jesus’ feet, but condemned by Jewish leaders offended with such women as uniquely “sinners” is Luke 7:36-50.

I took some artistic license. Luke 7.

Commentary of the story

Referring to “wives submitting to their husbands”, something that Skeptics often like to make a big deal about and they often turn it into something more than what it really is" I have several articles to provide that explain what “Submit” really means, rather than the made up version that Skeptics say it means.

https://carm.org/what-does-it-mean-wife-submit-to-her-husband

https://carm.org/wifes-submission-her-husband-slavery

http://christianthinktank.com/not2obey.html

http://christianthinktank.com/fem09.html

Search for the word “Submit”. There should be 11 results.

Now, I’ll specifically respond to what you have said.

" Paul instructs that on “the issue of authority,” “The role of men is to teach, and the role of women is to learn in submission .”"

I am very much confused. Where did I assert that? From the Creation.com article?

I don’t see how that is relevant to being factual, over an opinion. But, to argue the counter point

Moral Relativity

I’m asking you if when I say “God’s Morality” does that make you think that Morality is simply His opinion, like what He says to us is right and wrong, that, that is merely His opinion? Is that what you think?

You don’t see how what is relevant??

And see right away, I notice that the article that you have sent asked if “atheists can be moral”, but you see that isn’t the issue. Christian’s don’t argue that atheists cannot be Moral without God. That is not the issue and that is not what the ‘Moral Argument’. The Moral Argument has to do, specifically with Objective Morality.

We don’t think that Atheists have to believe in God in order to be Moral. We certainly recognize that you can be good and can be moral without believing in Him.

Do you understand?

And as far as 'Euthrypro’s Dilemma, that has already been answered over and over again.

https://carm.org/euthyphro-dilemma

https://carm.org/euthyphro-answer-to-response

Just, FYI, in case you decide to respond to the second one, after reading it, please be sure to read the next article first, as that is someones attempt to refute it. I think it would be wise to read that first, before attempting to try to refute it yourself, just in case the person makes the same arguments that you plan to.

Perhaps I can help you on being “undecided about Absolute Morality”. I have a, I don’t know what the right word is. I guess a scenario, something like that for you.

May I?

“The best answer that I can come up, off the cuff is that morality being relative seems objective enough to me. If a group of people agree that xyz is important, then I think we can establish right and wrong.”

I don’t know what that means?

Yes! It’s 13 hours previous in your post beginning, “1 Timothy has already been explained.”

What is the problem with Paul’s instruction in 1 Tim? It was his opinion, and perhaps there are reasons he gave that opinion that were not misogynistic? Whether he would say the same thing today is a good question. Why all the outrage?

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I think many place importance on the meaning of Paul’s instruction because they do not see the Bible as only people’s “opinion,” but as an authoritatively God-given word that remains binding today.

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I am sure, Bob, that you meant to write “pericope.”

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That is a huge admit, Bob will you expound?

Why so you assume that it’s simply his opinion?

Please remind me which article that was and then would you please tell me why you think that is?

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