And **all people **will see God’s salvation.
seems pretty cut and dry to me 
I totally agree, but just to be the devil’s advocate 
, I wouldn’t be surprised if Calvinists would highlight the “see” i.e. people in Hell observe the salvation of the elect, whilst not obtaining it themselves. The passage in Isaiah that Luke is quoting may show that more?
There again, of course, if the truth sets you free then as soon as the truth dawns I guess…
It might be clearer to most if it said all will experience God’s salvation, instead of see. I, like you guys, tend to think that see means more like to experience the glory of the Lord. (Isaiah 40:5)
This reminds me of…
Most Christians assume that people will collectively be forced to bow, but how anything forced would bring glory to God I don’t know since God has always cared most about the heart. It’s hard to think how a forced bow, that results in ECT, could bring God any glory at all? I guess depending on the character of the God you believe in? It’s ironic, too, because the Arminians are big on choice and don’t believe God forces anything, right? Just the final bow, I guess.
And if, according to C.S Lewis, hell was locked on the inside with people continuing as rebels, I wonder how it fits with every knee bowing and bringing glory to God? Just as an aside…that guy seemed to have so much wisdom about lots of things, but his view on hell is puzzling to me? What’s even more puzzling to me is that his mentor was George MacDonald and he rejected his universalism, though there was so much that he respected about him. I find it interesting because to me it makes so much sense that I often think if people only could hear it, with open ears, they’d embrace it. I guess C.S. Lewis proves this is not the case? I guess, at least, it impacted him so that he did not embrace the traditional ECT view? Could it be C.S. Lewis did not really understand his own mentor’s ideas of universal salvation? Maybe C.S. Lewis has written on his reactions to George MacDonald’s universalism somewhere? I’m sorry if I digressed too much! I guess one thought leads to another.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head Amy. It’s done to the glory of God - what glory is there in a forced confession?
JeffA, reminds me of the evil villians on all the cartoons my kids watch, “You will bow!” I have more respect for the super heroes that have everyone bowing because they are thankful for their rescuing them. I guess this explains why I am a universalist. 
As we are studying Hosea in SS, it stands out to me how very much God does to ensure that we recognize him. He strips us, makes life difficult, then allures us (like Israel, like Gomer), betrothes us in faithfulness and all so we we’ll, like them, call on the name of the Lord. It doesn’t make any sense that God is so committed to our recognizing our need for him that in the end he’ll settle for so many coming to a forced bow. Why, then, does he care to work so hard to woo us to him? A God with the kind of character that would be pleased, take glory, in a forced bow does not seem like the kind, either, that dies for us while we are yet hostile to him.
I think the way most people read it is a reference to the inclusion of both Jew and Gentile. That is Luke here is declaring that salvation would come to the whole world (all) and not just Isreal. They might see it as a John 3:16 - For God so loved the world - type of statement.
This could get confusing. If you’re just me, how can I be JustMe? 
I shall henceforth be known as Squishy, and I shall be a Squishy and Squishy shall be my name.
Actually, I’ll just sign off with my name instead.
Rob.
I’m a worded person you just 1
you don’t have to leave
perhaps a mod could add some number to one of our names to distinguish us
i’d have to say “maybe” on this one. “seeing God’s salvation” could mean that they are saved. it could also mean that all will see and acknowlege Christ, though not neccesarily to salvation.
i discussed the “every knee and every tongue” argument with my husband the other day, and he pointed out that acknowleging Christ is Lord is not automatically the same as calling upon Him for salvation, or having Him as one’s own Lord.
in the same way, i can acknowlege that Barack Obama is our President, address him as such, and respect the authority of his title, and power. that doesn’t mean, though, that my heart is with him, or that i love and support him politically or personally. in the same way, one can admit that Christ is Lord and bow before Him, but that doesn’t automatically mean that one’s heart is with Him, or under Him.
Grace, doesn’t bow indicate more than just acknowledgement? I’ve heard it said that confess indicates praise, not just acknowledgement. I wonder if it’s relevant what confess for believers means in other passages? Confess in most places implies an acknowledgement of sin, yes, but it’s also heartfelt. And the question of what brings glory to God is still relevant. Is he glorified in people just verbally recognizing him vs. a true appreciation for all that he has done for us?
If I were Obama I wouldn’t be pleased that people acknowledge me as President, all the while they are cursing me. I would think, for any decent/good leader, it’d bring very little gratification, much less glory, to have that kind of acknowledgement with no real appreciation.
This is the same exact language we see in Phillipians 2:10. These are so similar that I feel comfortable with the notion that confess is similar to what the creatures will be doing when they, with their mouths, attribute all praise to the Lamb. I can’t see assuming that this is not a sincere gesture of praise that these creatures are expressing,
it’s possible, Amy. but imo it’s a bit of a stretch to point to that verse in particular (Philippians 2: 10-11) as strong evidence of UR. at least, by itself.
if you relate it to 1 Timothy 2:3-6, which refers directly to salvation and to the ransoming and testifying of all, it comes across as more plausible. but by itself, imo, seeing and confessing with the tongue may or may not imply a confession of repentant faith leading to salvation.
Grace, it is true that, previous to understanding UR,I would read that verse and not think anything of it. I didn’t assume all bowing, confessing meant everyone would come to God. So, it’s probably the case, like you say, that no one verse is as strong as when you put them all together. When I consider everything is when I’m most convinced of what God is out to do and the effect that it will bring…all creatures praising him.