The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Molinism and universalism?

Ive been reading a great deal about molinism and wonder if anyone has views on the compatibility of molinism and universalism…

Blessings!

“And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.” (Matthew 11:23)

One of the strengths of universalism is that not only does it work with just about any form of Christian thought, but it also prevents these forms of thought from being absurd.

Assuming that God knows counterfactuals (which I think the above verse teaches), it would be preposterous and monstrous for God to say to Himself, “Hmm. If I create the universe in such-and-so way, some creatures will be everlastingly damned. Oh, what the Hell. I’ll do it anyway!”

God would never create such a universe. Instead, He would (and did!) create a universe in which all attain salvation.

In a nutshell, Molinism requires universalism.

Here are a couple short articles on molinism and universalism, which ponder the question - to read:

Is Molinism An Option?
Universalism, Molinism, and the Metaphysics of Actuality

Would you have more success with Open theism and universalism? See - for example:

Universalism for Open Theists
Freewill Theism and Universalism

Thanks everyone for all of your input. Ive read a great book by Kirk Macgregor about the life of Molina and about molinism…really interesting stuff…

I “think” Im moving towards a molinist/hopeful universalist stance…

There are a few things that I do ‘understand’ but don’t know what they mean - that is, I understand each word, each sentence, each paragraph, but when I’m done reading I have no idea what the whole means. Molinism, middle knowledge, open theism, most forms of trinitarianism (Athanasian Creed - somebody just shoot me) - not saying that one cannot justifiably hold to those positions, just that the explanations of the explanations don’t clarify matters , to my mind.
I’ve read papers and books on those -ism’s, and would rather staple a dead skunk to my forehead than try any longer to not-understand them. But by all means, if one or more of them help you in some way, that’s a good thing I reckon. :smiley:

I totally get your point about “isms”…I think for me molinism helps me to put a framework around how Gods predestination and human free will work together…but Im by no means married to it, if you know what I mean!

I go back to the catholic catechism periodically, and I know my faith teaches that we are to believe in both - predestination and free will…but it doesn’t give us the “formula” for how it works…I really really like the work of Father William Most on this, I appreciate the molinist perspective, and also, simply the appeal to “mystery”…