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My visit to a Grace Communion International church...

Today I went along to the Grace Communion International church (20 minutes drive). Although small it was full of loving people who welcomed me, even though the preacher knew my EU views (he had checked out this forum after I commented on his website) :slight_smile: .

The service consisted of:

]singing some songs, most of which I knew & all of which I liked/]
]reading a few Bible passages, & some reflections on them/]
]praying, both for local needs & global needs/]
]an excellent expository sermon on the Lord’s Prayer mainly from Matthew 6:5-13. He engaged in some good audience participation. It had quotes from Scott McKnight’s Jesus Creed and mentions of Jewish elements of the prayer, and looked at the parallels to Mark 12:28-31 (The Great Commandments). It would’ve been encouraging & thought provoking to any Christian./]

Afterwards I hung around and talked. Being Tasmania, I knew some people they knew (my current minister has actually spoken at there church before!). I also talked theology, the preacher was very open to my EU, although I get the impression he personally thinks we aren’t told if some will manage to resist God’s persistent love. i.e. open to postmortem salvation & thinks God always loves everyone - similar to Bell’s position.

I was less structured/formal than an Anglican service & definitely didn’t feel like a cult (not saying Anglicans are, but responding to concerns on other thread!!) in anyway :sunglasses:

Anyway, I would highly recommend checking them out (they are worldwide), particularly if you’re no longer able to attend your church because of EU.

Thanks for the report Alex! That’s encouraging.

Sonia

It certainly is. I’d be interested in hearing how others find their local congregations, as it might be the answer to many people’s prayers about finding a place to fellowship.

Thanks for posting.

After 5 years of not attending a service, we’ve been hungry to plug in somewhere that doesn’t make our hearts ache - I believe there’s one of these GCI gatherings within a half-hour’s drive - definitely going to check them out.

I just read through their Statement of beliefs on their website (GCI.org), not like that’s SUPER important, but I was very encouraged! Here’s what they have to say on judgment:
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God judges all humans through Jesus Christ as those who belong to God through him. Therefore, all humans are, in spite of themselves, loved, forgiven, and included in Jesus Christ, who is their Lord and Savior. God’s love will never cease or diminish even for those who, denying the reality of who they are in him, refuse his love and consign themselves to hell; they will not enjoy the fruit of his salvation but rather will experience his love as wrath. God disciplines those he loves so that they will return to him and live; he stands at the door and knocks, urging them to open the door to his everlasting love. God’s judgment in Christ means the ultimate end of evil and the renewal of the earth and all creation.

(Acts 24:15; John 5:28-29; John 3:17; Romans 5:6; Colossians 1:20; 1 Timothy 2:3-6; 2 Peter 3:9; Romans 5:1 5-18; Acts 10:43; John 12:32; 1 Corinthians 15:22-28; Hebrews 12:6; Ephesians 1:10; Revelation 3:19-20) *

i realize you won’t (and probably shouldn’t?) find a gathering/body who agrees with you on everything, but this just might feel a LOT more like home. It’ll be interesting to visit the 2 nearest us and we’ll report back to ya :smiley:

Excellent, that’s exactly why I posted :sunglasses:

there’s one in central London…interesting! may have to check it out.

btw, i love the Anglican church, it is by no means cultish :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

Hi Alex;

It was great to meet you. Thanks for your gracious comments.

We know all to well what it is like to be “outsiders” and nervous about how we might be received by other churches. And we heartily welcome those who share our core belief in the prodigal love of God, who created us all to share his life.

We are a bit of a Gideon’s army, having been pared down severely, as the majority of our pastors and members could not accept the free gift of salvation being unconditoned on certain religious requirements. We moved from a cult, to being fundamentalists, to being conservative evangelicals, to being moderate evangelicals, to being Trinitarians.

I see myself as someone else put it, a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative. Probably more the former. That is quite a journey :slight_smile: I also read somewhere recently, that most of us move in a similar direction as we grow older. Perhaps mine has just been a bit more extreme.

We are more hopeful than dogmatic in relation to universalism, but share the common belief and desire that all be saved. So there is no need to approach us with any degree of temerity in regard to personal beliefs on these issues. We have inhabited a similar space for a very long time, and understand from experience how such beliefs can be perceived/received by many churches.

When we went through our years of tumultuous change in the early 90’s, I met up with many other church groups and attended a number of pastoral meetings and conferences, many of which were dominated by Calvinist/Reformed people. They seemed to have a particular focus on how Christ died only for the elect, double-predestination etc. I read widely on election/freedom etc. and found the complex arguments tortuous and self defeating. Over and over I read the view that you are either Calvinist and elect, or Arminian and wrong. I knew I wasn’t either. One of the few books I found at the time that seemed to get a balance on the topic was I.H. Marshall’s “Kept By the Power of God”. After our experiences with being exclusivist and ungracious, I was repelled by the presentation of grace and the gospel in a way that revealed an inner logic based on discriminatory selection, that belied so many of the parables of Jesus, his life and work, and the heart of the message of Scripture about who God really is. Thankfully many authors, like Philip Yancey, Jerry Bridges etc. helped me grasp grace more fully, but studying the gospels and epistles, especially Galatians had the greatest impact on me. I was in NSW at the time, and led several congregations through almost a year long study of Galatians, which I believe addressed the heart of our past issues, and the heart of the gospel we needed to place our full trust in.

Anyway, most of our congregations would welcome any who share a common belief in the God who is love, and who desire that all would accept their status as God’s forgiven and beloved children through Jesus and the Holy Spirit. We have a great desire to spread the good news God has led us to, and to have others who are being led in a similar direction to join together in sharing in Jesus mission to his creation.

Blessings,
Phil