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Parable of the Marriage Feast - Seeking EU Thoughts

Matthew 22:1-14

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, 2 “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. 3 And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come. 4 Again he sent out other slaves saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast.”’ 5 But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business, 6 and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them. 7 But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire. 8 Then he *said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.’ 10 Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests.

11 “But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12 and he *said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”


I would like to read EU thoughts on this.

Thanks,
Joel

HI Joel -

There is a discussion of this parable on the Giradian Lectionary website at

girardianlectionary.net/year_a/proper23a.htm

I copy it below - the links are well worth following.

The brutality of the king in the Parable of the King’s Son’s Wedding is a serious problem . In 2002 I was really struggling with this problem. And the key to the problem is whether or not one makes the allegorical reading that sees this tyrant king as God. The vast majority of interpreters, mysteriously to me, seem resigned to such a reading and try to make the best of it. I refuse to make such a capitulation for a king whose behavior resembles someone like Saddam Hussein.

Colleagues were struggling with me as we debated this parable on the Girard listserve (no longer active). Marty Aiken came to the rescue, inspired to finish a paper on this passage that was presented at the COV&R 2003 Conference in Innsbruck. I consider his paper well on the way to the definitive interpretation of this troublesome parable. Link to Marty Aiken’s “The Kingdom of Heaven Suffers Violence: Discerning the Suffering Servant in the Parable of the Wedding Banquet.”

Here are the two key points of Aiken’s interpretation:

Instead of seeing the king as making Jesus’ audience think of God, he argues that this king would have sparked in Jesus’ audience thoughts of kings much closer to their situation in history, namely, the Herods, especially the first King Herod. Drawing from historical sources such as Josephus, Aiken shows how the Herods actually behaved in ways very similar to the king in this parable. With a monarch so brutally dictatorial, does Jesus really mean for us to think of divine kingship with this parable instead of the kind of petty dictators such as the Herods who so litter human history with victims? I find Aiken’s argument persuasive – which is also reason why I have highlighted in recent weeks an overall approach to Matthew’s parables of judgment that hesitates from too easily reading the central figures of power in these parables as representing God.

So who is the positive figure in this parable that makes us think of the kingdom of heaven? The person without a wedding garment at the end who seems to intentionally take on this king’s brutality. Aiken points to a verse in Matthew’s Gospel which I have subsequently come to argue as central, namely, Matthew 11:12: “From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force” (see the reflections for Advent 3A). The kingdom of heaven as suffering violence is represented in this parable not through the figure of the king who dishes it out, but in the lone figure at the end who takes it upon himself. Aiken thus also rightly brings in the figure of the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53:

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (Isaiah 53:7)

Matthew’s Gospel emphasizes Jesus’ silence before his accusers more than any other Gospel. For example, Matthew 26:62-63: “The high priest stood up and said, ‘Have you no answer? What is it that they testify against you?’ But Jesus was silent.” And Matthew 27:11-14: “Now Jesus stood before the governor; and the governor asked him, ‘Are you the King of the Jews?’ Jesus said, ‘You say so.’ But when he was accused by the chief priests and elders, he did not answer. Then Pilate said to him, ‘Do you not hear how many accusations they make against you?’ But he gave him no answer, not even to a single charge, so that the governor was greatly amazed.”

Link to a sermon using Aiken’s insights titled, “When a Squirrel Is Just a Squirrel,” which begins with the well-known children’s sermon joke about a pastor’s stuffed squirrel. And don’t miss reading Aiken’s essay before preaching this text!

Thanks for the response.

The King not being God makes a lot of sense.

What about the last line - “For many are called, but few are chosen.”?

That’s very interesting, Sobornost.

Perhaps another way of viewing this parable from an EU perspective would be if one adopted a prrterist style AD70 reading rather than an end-time reading.

OF course, I’m also now interested to see of Sobornost’s appraoch can be combined with a NT Wright style approach and if the King can both be God in terms of judgment on Jerusalem and Herod in terms of final judgement and Jesus’ absorbtio of violence … role-reversal and subverted expectations would certainly match the punch-line …

Hi Both –
Glad you like the approach. I’ve just found another internet sermon that agrees with this approach and is also entertaining.It specifically looks at the ‘many are called and few are chosen’ punchline. So here it is

thq.wearesparkhouse.org/yeara/ordinary28gospel/

Murder and Mayhem
Giving up the whole God-is-a-bastard thing.
By Debbie Blue
Gospel Reading: Matthew 22: 1-14
For Sunday, October 9, 2011: Year A—Ordinary 28

***This parable is scary and violent. The king is petty, murderous and arbitrarily cruel. Who would want to go to his party?

Boycott and Resist

But people don’t normally refuse an offer from a king (or Don Corleone)– even an awful paranoid king like Herod the Great who had little babies slaughtered, according to Matthew, executed his wife and sons according to Josephus (Caesar Augustus said, “it is better to be Herod’s pig than his son”). That the characters in this story boycott the king makes them seem a little brave.

Some hearers of this story must have been attracted to the characters that refuse to dance when the king calls. Their kings were minions of the Roman Empire and they weren’t very nice. The way of God’s people has always been to resist the summons of worldly power. I feel a little sorry for the king that no one wanted to come to his party, but he is a bully. I like

The Resistance.

Choking on the Fat Calf

But then the rebels disappoint. They treat the king’s slaves shamefully and kill them. No one looks very good in this story.

It’s a familiar one.

The king retaliates explosively. He sends in the army and burns the rebel city down. Those left alive after the murderous rampage—walking the streets because their homes were torched—are rounded up for the banquet.
Somehow this doesn’t seem like a fun time. I imagine them sitting at the tablet all petrified and anxious. I doubt they were dancing and enjoying their food—more like choking it down tight throats, ready to see blood spill across the roast of lamb when the king is somehow slighted.

And then it Happens

The king spots someone without a wedding robe!

I wonder how anyone would have dressed properly in the midst of the burning carnage. But the king centers his sights on this one, makes him the sacrificial, speechless victim, tells the servants to prepare him like a lamb for slaughter and throw him into the outer darkness. The king says, “many are called but few are chosen.” Just the one is chosen here? Bound and gagged and cast out?**

Humble, and Mounted on an Ass

Matthew constantly contrasts the Empire kingdom with the kingdom of God. If there really even is what could be called a king in God’s kingdom, it would look like Jesus. Jesus says he comes not to be served, but to serve. That’s really different. He tells this parable after his “triumphal” entry into Jerusalem: “Behold your king is coming to you, humble, and mounted on an ass.” That’s so different it’s funny.

Luke’s version of the parable doesn’t include a king or violence. Maybe Matthew tweaks it for his own purpose, his anti-empire bent. Does Matthew really mean for us to compare the violent king to God, or to contrast him to Jesus? Who’s the man without the robe? Could this be a critique of the way the Empire works? Right after Jesus tells this parable, the Pharisees try to entrap him with the question of paying tax to Caesar. Jesus answers: “give to Caesar what is Caesars, give to God what is Gods.” Armies and taxes and violence, retaliation and cruelty belong to Caesar not to God.

The Hardest Question

The storyteller is God incarnate (so our faith proclaims) not the enraged king in the parable, and yet so much of the Christianity I grew up in got its image of God from these scary parables—based its image of God on the angry, violent, king. Why does the image of God as a sadistic brutal violent tyrant persist even in the face of Jesus? Does it say something about us?*

This parable reminds me that the Targum (the popular Rabbinic exposition from Jesus’ time) of Isaiah’s vision of the messianic banquet has God inviting the Gentiles only to have the angelic hosts massacre them at the feast. So perhaps this gives us additional context.

It is certainly significant that only one is chosen at the banquet here for wrath.

:slight_smile:

I know that the OP was seeking the UR view, but nevertheless I do feel compelled to offer the traditional and much more clear take on this parable. Remember the expression, “Torture a man long enough and he will confess to whatever you want him to”? That seems to be the the case here with the non-traditional view-hence why Sobornost and his colleagues were struggling to avoid the obvious implication.
This parable follows two others, also similarly themed. Jesus has ridden into Jerusalem as the prophesied King. He has cleansed the temple-perhaps for the second time-and is now addressing the wicked rulers. They challenge His authority just as they’ve challenged John’s. Jesus’ parables make it clear that even they understand that He is referring to them.
The first parable is the father and two sons told to work in the vineyard, which is symbloic of the land of Israel. This is followed by a master who lets out his vineyard to tenants and then seeks to claim the fruit that is rightfully due. The tenants not only fail to deliver, but kill the ones sent to collect and ultimately murder the master’s son. This is obviously an allusion to how the prophets were treated and how Jesus is about to be treated. Even the Pharisees acknowlege that the tenants deserve death. Jesus then states that the Kingdom of God will be taken from them.
The third parable of this discourse is now the one in question-the wedding feast. Now it is a king who sends forth servants to tell those who were invited that the time had come. These servants meet the same fate as the servants of the previous parable-they’re mocked and killed. The king then destroyed the murderers and burned their city, perhaps an illusion to the Babylonians or the Roman siege to come or both. Others, who were not previously invited, now are. One of the “guests” however, is not properly attired. He has implicitly rejected the provision made for being “clean” i.e. clothed in the righteousness of Christ. He is then sent to his fate.
The common denominators are clear- a father telling his children to work, a master / vineyard owner expecting to collect fruit and a king / father preparing a wedding feast for his son. All of these are clear representations of the Father and Son.
The failure to unrepentantly labor in the vineyard, murder representatives and the son, and to reject the invitation are clearly the OT history of Israel culminating in the murder of the prohets and now Jesus Himself.
Again, these allusions are simply unavoidable. To say that they represent someone or something else is to do great violence to the text and reason.

The only way that you can avoid the obvious conclusion is to resort to theological gymnastics and torturing the text until it confesses to what you want it to say.
Listen, the reality is this: no theological system is perfectly gift wrapped for us neat and tidy. As a Calvinist, it pains me to say that. If you bring the presupposition to the table that God loves every single being, even Satan, Antiochus Epiphanes IV and Nero etc, with redemptive, agape love, then you must force that into certain passages where it is obviously not warranted. This is one such case. Far from gaining respect, I feel you actually lose it. It goes without saying the Calvinists, Arminians and UR’s will make these accusations against one another with varying degrees of legitimacy.
I’d use great caution before slinging blaspemous accusations around like, “This king is like Saddam Hussein” or “the brutality exhibited is unacceptable to me-therefore this king is rotten”.

Matt

Hi Matt - and apologies again for attack of grumps. One criticism you make here of universalists like me is that we will give a convoluted interpretation of scripture so that God’s agape will include even Satan and all the tyrants of history. I think we universalists will reply to this moral argument that those who believe in election are prepared to feel comfortable with not just the mass murderers of history hell but most of non-elect humanity. and I guess this group will have to inlcude all non-Clavinists - Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa fo Calcutta, the six million Jews that perished in the holocaust etc… That’s the other side of this moral argument that causes genuine moral difficulties for most universalists I would think - and yes, it does influence our hermeneutic of scripture.

All the best

Dick (the grump)

Hi Dick, without wanting to be personally adversarial to you-your theology yes- you no, is that UR’s also misconstrue, either with willing deceitfulness or out of ignorance, the Reformed view. It’s not a matter of “feeling comfortable”. All sides struggle with great moral difficulty. The Reformed tradition has a deep, deep history of missionary outreach, the establishing of schools / hospitals etc. Even the standard bearer of American Calvinism, Jonathan Edwards, preached to the native Indians when he was fired from his nice, white upper class church. Many a Calvinist has laid their life down for the sake of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and many of us have shed very real tears over the inhumane injustices of this world.
As intellectual as you are Dick, you should know these things. I believe that you do.

Matt

For what it’s worth, Matt (Jaxxen), I for one agree (so far) with the gist of the traditional interpretation: the king is God, and He’s punishing various rebels.

One type of rebel is represented by the people who give insultingly lame excuses not to come to the wedding feast. Jesus is reported as telling this parable on two occasions, the other being during a banquet at Luke 14:16-24. In that version there is no violence done; in the version reported at Matt 22, the violence starts with the rebel but wealthy servants of the king, some of whom are not satisfied to give insultingly lame excuses (calculated to be polite indications of rebellion and no confidence in the reign of the King, by the cultural standards of the time).

The other type of rebel is the one who agrees to come to the feast but tries to get in on his own terms. The king would have provided at least a sash for his poorer guests to wear so that they would not be ashamed. This man, having accepted the offer to come to the feast, has bluntly refused to wear the sash. The king is entirely correct to throw the ungrateful and insulting freeloafer into the outer darkness.

Comparing this king to Herod or one of the other tyrants is highly inappropriate. The king is acting honorably, and those who are being punished have acted very dishonorably, even criminally or murderously.

At the same time, the parable (in one or both forms) features details that don’t synch well with Calvinistic soteriology.

The main Calvish detail is that some of the doers of good and evil (Matt 22:10) who don’t start out servants of the king are compelled by the king (Luke 14:23) to attend the feast, not simply invited. But then there are big differences, too.

1.) The king’s offer to His chief servants is, by all story details, sincere. He’s surprised they didn’t come, and annoyed at their grave (even murderous) disrespect of His offer. He doesn’t choose in advance not to even seriously invite them, and their invitation isn’t incidental. Except for what happens to them they would have fit the Calv notion of the elect: they have already been called to be servants of the king (or they wouldn’t be in their current position) and they’re directly and intentionally called again to attend the wedding feast. In fact, they’re called TWICE: once to let them know the wedding feast is on the way (so they have plenty of time to prepare), and once to let them know the specific time they ought to arrive. This social protocol is more evident in GosLuke’s version. In GosMatt’s version the repeated invitation isn’t about properly and politely alerting them to be ready and to come, but about persisting to some degree at bringing them in, with the persistence met by murderous rebellion rather than only further insults.

2.) The other big difference is that if the wedding feast represents heaven and the guests who are brought in are the Calv elect, God apparently elects some to heaven who ungratefully insult Him for His charity, and who then are thrown into the outer darkness with the others!

3.) The moral of the story at the end of GosMatt’s version, “For many are called but few are chosen”, whatever it may mean, doesn’t fit the parable on the face of it. Very many (actually everyone in the story population) was very seriously called; by Calv standards they ought to therefore have been chosen for salvation, too. And the group actually at the wedding feast clearly outnumbers those who have to be outside. The numerical contrast of the moral doesn’t fit the details of the parable (either in GosLuke or GosMatt) at all.

It might be replied that the wedding feast actually represents the Church, not heaven per se; but the notion that God would sincerely and intentionally invite someone into the Church, and they would actually come in, in direct contrast to those who don’t come in, and then throw that guy out for being an ungrateful rebel, doesn’t mesh well with Calvinistic notions of election.

If anything, these details would be indicating that some of God’s elect will unexpectedly rebel and be severely punished. Which fits the basic notion that the Pharisees (and Israel more generally) are being talked about here. But that doesn’t fit Calvinistic notions of election, the compulsion of those who have done nothing to earn the graciousness of the king notwithstanding. The king ought to be persisting in bringing the rebel servants or the rebel pauper into His kingdom until He gets it done; and He shouldn’t be seriously inviting them into the feast if He isn’t going to persist at bringing them in.

Of course, if the story isn’t over yet for the ones being punished, and if the doctrine of divine persistence is well-established elsewhere, then there is no problem for a Calvinistic interpretation–there might have to be a minor adjustment to expect some post-mortem salvation of God’s elect, and a Calvinist might have to suppose that the parable simply isn’t talking about those God doesn’t seriously evangelize (much as Calvs interpret the parable of the 100th sheep and the 10th coin). The main adjustment would be that the parable should be read as a warning that even God’s elect may seriously rebel against Him and have to be seriously punished.

But then, neither can the parable on those terms be read over against an Arm or Kath interpretation. If the story isn’t over for those who are punished, then it can’t count as testifying in favor of hopeless punishment.

Similarly, the total disparity between the numerical contrast of the moral and the details of the parable, is a main reason why some radical interpreters figure it means few are chosen to be punished. But if the meaning of election isn’t primarily about being elected to salvation from sin (although that, too), but about being elected for some purpose, then the moral doesn’t have to be about punishment one way or another. For example, if election is about being chosen to be an evangelical witness to the world, then the election cannot be exclusively salvific; and bringing such an interpretation (exegetically established elsewhere) into the interpretation of the moral would result in a coherent criticism by Jesus of those who had been elected (the rich nobility and landowners, who by the king’s authority have been given administrative advantages) to be the light of the world to those who are called (everyone, rich and poor alike). The warning, like most of Jesus’ other warnings about eschatological punishment on the way, is certainly directed against lazy and/or uncharitable and/or rebellious servants of His: if the moral is proposed to critique against misbehavior by those relatively few whom God elects for special evangelical service (such as originally Israel and even the Pharisees), that would cleanly fit the gist of the parable’s details.

At any rate Kaths (universalists) would notice that the people being punished look a lot like they were elected by God to be at the wedding feast, and agreeing with Calvs that we should expect God to persist in saving those whom He elects for salvation; therefore we would conclude, with dovetailing evidence exegeted from elsewhere, that the story for those being punished isn’t over. And we would notice with the Arminians that, so far as the parable seems to indicate, everyone is seriously called to the feast. We wouldn’t be able to get continual original persistence from this parable, but neither can the Calvinist; for this parable, taken only as itself, the Arms would have priority of direct exegesis (in my estimation).

There is one small but significant problem with an Arm interpretation: the fellow without the sash is thrown outside again. But this is only a problem if the wedding feast is regarded as final salvation. If it is regarded as membership in the Church, then neither hardshell Arminians (who would say that anyone can lose their salvation short of heaven) nor softshell Arminians (who would say that he was in the Church without having seriously converted, so of course God would not be expected to persist in saving him yet) would have no problem at all.

Or almost no problem for the Arminians, since the language does look like eschatological punishment, not merely exclusion from the church, which either hardshell or softshell would regard as reversible (unless the sin against the Holy Spirit was invoked perhaps. The man without the sash might be argued to be treading underfoot and regarding as worthless the sacrifice of Christ, so Heb 10 and related verses from Hebrews might be appealed to).

Having said all that… :wink:

I suppose I should add that at the moment I think there’s a good argument (although based on data and arguments elsewhere) for this parable to apply to the millennium kingdom situation. Murderously rebel kings, and the people who follow them, get zorched with the Second Coming of Christ, and Christ’s loyal servants start a highly successful worldwide evangelism of the survivors, good and evil, out of which a very small percentage also are slain for rebellion after the millennial reign begins, the others being legitimate converts (or legitimate enough for Christ’s purposes during this period). Salvation history continues after the millennial period, so the story isn’t hopelessly finished for those thrown out of the party (or who refuse to attend), but obviously it would be better not to be thrown out at all. :slight_smile:

I’m not married to that interpretation, so I wouldn’t build anything from it, and I could accept other variations. But it’s a further line of thought that some universalists I respect take, so I thought I should mention it. :slight_smile: I’ve been meaning to try testing the other wedding-feast warnings (like the parable of the 20 virgins) to see if they can fit that notion, too.

(Worth noting though that an Arminian could also probably go that route; maybe a Calvinist as well with post-mortem salvation of the elect in view.)

i love the accusation of performing “gymnastics” with the text. this is precisely what many infernalists do themselves.
at least there was humility to admit it’s not all neat and packaged up, like some claim.

also, why on earth would a calvinist bother with missions if they truly believed in the doctrine of the elect.

They do it for the same reason we do, CL: because we’re supposed to be cooperating with God, and He expects us to cooperate with Him in reaching those who aren’t cooperating with Him yet.

Plus there are teaching issues involved; and evangelism isn’t even only about that, it’s also about helping people live with more love and justice in their lives now, giving love and justice to other people and receiving it from other people.

If we don’t help with that, we’re putting ourselves among the goats in the judgment. Calvinists might say we’re revealing ourselves to be among the goats, if we don’t bring the good news to people who need it, but the basic principle is the same either way.

Where Calvs and Kaths signally disagree, is on the scope of God’s evangelism. But even Calvs agree that humans ought to seriously evangelize everyone, the exceptions being where they think God has revealed someone (like Satan for example) has not been chosen to be saved from their sins. And those are relatively few exceptions.

Any answer we might give to an Arminian challenging us on why we would even bother to evangelize, is an answer we ought to be fairly prepared to recognize a Calvinist’s right to claim as well.

I didn’t mean to give offense to anyone here by making the Girardian interpretation of the Wedding Feast parable available (I would have not have done so a year ago – but have gradually realised that Girard is influencing many Universalists – including Richard Beck). Jesus’ story is a parable – so there is going to be a certain amount of reader response going on. But I must say that in the light of Easter faith God did not act like the King in the parable – instead of sending angels to wreak terror and vengeance he raised his Son – the victim – to send word of God’s Peace. In the light of this the image of the King in the parable is jarring and challenging. The King in the parable tells us something about God – but it is not blasphemous to say that God is not an avenging King. Likewise God is not an old widow sweeping her room for a lost coin. I think it is impossible to give the correct interpretation of parables – they point us to the mystery of the Kingdom as we reflect upon the mystery of the Incarnation. I know htis isn’t a clever answer - I can’t really put it into words beyond this.

CL, with re to “gymnastics” Jason seems to agree that the king referrenced would be God.
As far as your question re Calvinists and missions, see Jason’s reply below.
Also, Calvinists believe that the preaching of the Law / repentance and the Gospel is the means by which God uses to bring others into His kingdom.
You really should know something that basic before being so caustically dismissive. As such, you do nothing to help the UR cause.

Matt

Thanks, Jason! You beat me to it.
With regard to your other couple of posts-damn, big dog-must you always be so verbose? :confused: I appreciate the fact that theology is not to be taken lightly and you feel it’s necessary to put what you feel is relevant information out there, but this is the internet. You’re not having correspondence with Meredith Kline and Karl Barth. Anyhoo, I’ll suffice it to say that we agree on the identity of the king, that the “many are called, few are chosen” refers to the Reformed understanding of the general call and the effective call and that like you, I will not be too dogmatic on certain components of the parable, and that we both agree that the king had offered a type of covering-which I say would equate to being “clothed in Christ”, and woe unto those who are found naked.

Matt

Dick, according to Matthew 13:10-15, Jesus seems to expect that at least His followers will understand the parables.
I don’t believe that that means every single believer will have the exact same understanding, but then again God is not the author of confusion and when two groups come away with two radically different, opposite views-well then, it’s safe to say that one group is wrong.

Matt

I have to :angry: :angry: :angry: a . g . r . . . e . . . . . . e with you, Matt. :confused: IMO the king does represent God in this parable. Ohhh that was hard. :wink:

I don’t see a problem here for UR. The Jews were looking forward to the Messianic kingdom and were so not about getting tossed out of the marriage feast into the cold where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. So to say that they were not only in danger of missing it, but that the more powerful among them were even TURNING DOWN the King who had invited them . . . :open_mouth: How dare He?!!

As to the badly dressed guest, I thought it meant he came in depending on his own righteousness – that he had done the works, earned the salvation, deserved to be there on his own merits (My clothing is quite up to snuff, my good man; save that charity garb for someone who needs it, do.")

These people miss out on the wedding feast, which is quite a bad thing, considering it lasts 1000 years (or at the least, a very long time symbolized by 1000 years).

Whoo hoo! I’ve poached Jason AND Cindy over to my side. Now, to get Johnny P and I’ll have the Reformed trifecta :sunglasses:
Believe it or not, I was halfway through a reply when TD called me. He’d PM’d earlier re some questions so I gave him my # and we talked for 2 hours-like I’d suggested in a previous post, I doubt he’ll be showing up here :open_mouth: After hanging up, I’d lost my reply. Meh, I’ll just chalk it up to the mystery of providence :wink: G’night for now, folks.