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Paul and resurrection

Paul believed in the resurrection of both just and unjust? It is a curiosity that I have. There are verses in his letters about this.

Yes, I believe he did. That’s what Jesus taught, too, of course.

Hello Sopho,

Yes, all will be resurrected. But not at the same time.

The first resurrection is for those who will be accepted into the Kingdom of God.

The second resurrection is for everyone else.

This subject is expounded upon is this article:

ernestlmartin.com/kingdomofgod-firstresurrection.htm

Thank you for the question.

I’m somewhat confused about ideas of resurrection in the bible.

Resurrection seems to be something that developed over quite some time throughout the OT and inter testamental periods, and I’m not sure that there was much joined up thinking on the issue across different texts.

At the time of Jesus there were differing ideas floating around within the various Judaisms of his time. What Jesus himself believed/ taught is difficult to ascertain, made complex not only by the (perhaps) differing viewpoints of the gospel writers, but also by the whole preterist question and what jesus thought the kingdom to be.

It seems likely to me that Jesus was claiming that the kingdom was to be ( and was being ) inaugurated with himself, and would be something spiritually present after the tribulation/ judgement of Jerusalem in the near future. The Revelation seems to be a mix of views, with the destruction of Jerusalem, judgement on Rome and perhaps other stuff all being in the mix - again confusing exactly what the revelator thought about resurrection. I find Paul even more confusing - he clearly seems to believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus, yet considers the resurrection of believers similar and also different (physical, spiritual, embodied?), and seems to expect this to happen at the ‘end’ - which he also seemed to expect to be within his and his audiences lifetimes and near future.

In short, I hope for a general resurrection/ re- creation at the ‘end’ - but the details, and even whether that belief is accurate, I don’t know. How that fits in with judgement, preterism, futurism, prophecy, universalism etc. is somewhat beyond me at the moment. :slight_smile:

Hello Pog,

Indeed the subject of preterism vs futurism is confusing. But once this subject is made clear, then the subjects of prophecy and the resurrection fall into place.

The fact is that both preterism and futurism are both right - and wrong. A comprehensive study of biblical events shows that all major prophetic events happen three times:

askelm.com/prophecy/p021201.htm

An update to this subject can be found here:

askelm.com/news/n090401.pdf

The Bible gives us a list of specific events that must take place before the “end-times” occurs. None of those events (with the exception of the creation of the state of Israel in 1948) have yet to occur:

ernestlmartin.com/index2.htm#endtimes

I hope these articles help. Thank you for the good question.

Ken

Welcome to the EU. I love Ernest l Martin writings. Will enjoy your contributions.

Thank you, Puddyarcher! :slight_smile:

Ken