The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Perichoresis USA, a hopeful universalist organisation?

, they"]We believe in the Triune God, Father, Son and Spirit, and we believe that this Triune God created, reconciled and embraced the world in Jesus Christ, as it was eternally purposed.

We believe Jesus Christ is the Father’s eternal Son, very God of very God, our Lord and Savior, who became human and now lives forever as the incarnate Son in relationship with His Father in the Spirit. We believe Jesus Christ is the vicarious man, in whom the Triune God, the human race and the cosmos are not separated but bound together in relationship. Through his incarnate life, death, resurrection and ascension he gathered humanity in himself, reconciled us and included us in the Trinitarian life of God.

We believe the Holy Spirit is fully divine, equal to the Father and Son and that His passion is communion. We believe he was sent by the Father and Son to reveal the truth to us until we are set free from all forms of darkness. We believe the Church is called to participate in the Holy Spirit’s mission of revelation and healing, until the Son’s communion with his Father fills the earth as the waters cover the seas.They also have links to Grace Communion International :sunglasses:

, C. Baxter Kruger (Perichoresis Director)"]Herein lies the plight of the human race: The Father’s Son is inescapable. He dwells within our darkness, and there his light exposes our pretense, revealing that we are wayward sons and daughters of his Father who have lost our minds. We are free to live in our own worlds, free to wrest the cosmos and the Triune God into submission to us— or to die trying. But that is to damn ourselves to the joyless hell of meaninglessness. And even then—especially then—Jesus won’t forsake us. Bearing our scorn, the Father’s Son has found his way inside our alienation, and in our dastardly confusion the living Word of God speaks: “Come unto me. Put the ledger down, and let me teach you about my Father and his love. Let me tell you who you are. Be reconciled.”

I came across their Australian site, when looking into Donald G Bloesch included.com.au/index.php?option … b15c4a0ced

Baxter Krueger is the main person behind Perichoresis in the US and in Australia.

He is a student of Thomas F. Torrance, and an “evangelist” for Trinitarian theology in the US. He makes regular trips to Australia as well.

He is speaking at a Trinitarian conference put on by Grace Communion International in Perth on October 15-16th.
included.com.au/index.php?option … Itemid=290

Baxter has been doing speaking tours with William Paul Young author of the best selling “The Shack”.

He has a great blog at; baxterkruger.blogspot.com/

I’d say he is like many Trinitarians, focused on the hope that all will be yield to God’s love. But better to let him speak for himself on the topic; Here is a quote from an interview with Mike Feazell; gci.org/yi/kruger1


JT: That leads to a question that we get asked when we’re talking about the incarnation and all that, that implies and how we participate in the divine nature – some will level the accusation that we’re just teaching a form of universalism. How do you answer that?

CBK: Well, I wish I could. I wish and pray that the whole human race comes to see the truth. I have my doubts about certain denominations but I mean I am not a doctrinal universalist. I am a hopeful universalist. But what I say is the world is reconciled to Christ, we’re included in the family, Jesus has established a relationship with all of us. He sent the Holy Spirit to enlighten us and it is possible for us to say consistently again, and again, and again – even indefinitely say, “no, I’m going to live in my own world. I’m going to live in the way that I see things, the way that I see God, I’ve got my theology, I’ve got my vision of God, I’ve got my vision of the world, I’ve got my vision of what Jesus did and I am god. And my vision is what counts, and Jesus you line up with me and everybody in the planet line up with me.” And that creates chaos and conflict and internal pain and it’s possible for that to be an indefinite position.

But God never changes and this is important that what we do or do not do does not have the capacity to change the being of God or his relationship with us that he has established. So we’re not talking about changing God and from being a Father back into being a judge. We’re talking about the fact the He has bound himself in relationship with us, that’s never changing – the Spirit is haunting us and trying to enlighten us and that’s the state of things. Now how it comes out? We’re not in a position to say with any kind of dogmatic reference. It’s theoretically possible that no one would get it, no one would see. That it’s theoretically possible that almost everyone or even indeed all will come to see.

There are people that I respect, George McDonald and Thomas Erskine among them, great thinking Christian godly men, that the love of the Father poured forth from both of them. They both were committed universalists. They just believe that the love of the Father was going to win, it was just impossible not to. And I think, that’s probably … that’s good. But I just can’t say that. So, no I’m not a universalist but I understand why people who are operating out of a legal framework can only hear me saying that because for them, if you pray to receive Jesus then you’ve got a ticket to heaven and you’re going. And if everybody’s got a ticket then everybody’s going to go to heaven. But the plain fact is that there are people who don’t want to go. And they may have a ticket and the trip paid for, but they don’t want to participate in it. But it’s not going away, it’s a very miserable form of existence.

JMF: C.S.Lewis’ book, The Great Divorce …
CBK: Fantastic
JMF: … talks about that.

JT: Well, that was a nice way of … nice turn of phrase the way you’ve explained that, they have a paid ticket in their pocket but they don’t want to use it.

CBK: In C.S. Lewis’ image that the door of heaven is always open, and even the door of hell, and maybe it’s the same door, I mean it’s not that we died, and God goes back into being God and forget this Father, Son, Spirit stuff and forget this covenant relationship. Sorry all that’s over, you had your chance, now it’s gone in flames. It’s covenant relationship and where are you in the journey? Whether you see or whether you don’t see and you’re not changing God in this.

Thanks Phil, that explains his position really well :sunglasses:

It’s odd that so much fuss was made about Rob Bell, when I’m discovering more & more other Christians were already hopeful universalists! :confused: