The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Poll: Are you a Trinitarian?


And since you have no statistical data, regarding my intelligence (or that of the prior poster)…who’s the fool and the less intelligent poster? It wouldn’t be you, would it DL? :laughing:

Just a word of advice. Don’t try to get someone who contemplates in traditions, like Mindfulness and Zen - angry. It’s very difficult to do so. :laughing:

And manners is not always a part, of the historical, Holy Fools traditions. They don’t always abide, by societies standards or norms. :laughing:


Well, Randy, though others of us have not gone so far as to call you a “swollen headed fool,” I, for one, have problems with the dozens of large pictures and movies you constantly post. Why? Because I am trying to follow the reasoning of various posters in a thread and find it quite a chore to have to scroll through pages of pictures and movies (that have little or no relevance to the topics being discussed) before I can reach a real poster’s reply.

I don’t think the gnostic bishop is trying to get you angry. I think he is expressing his frustration with the mostly irrelevant comments, pictures, and movies that you continually post.

However, I will say this in your favour. Occasionally I find that I enjoy the humor of a few of the cartoons you post, and have copied them for future use with friends.


And I hope you don’t think that Gnostic Bishop, is trying to have a civil conversation - with folks here. :laughing:

I’m just being true, to my Christian tradition. As the Holy Fools tradition, is a valid historical tradition - from the Russian Orthodox church. I have deep respect for folks theological positions here - no matter how “bad” or “crazy”, they appear to me. So I look at folks as either reciprocating the favor, or just ignoring what I post. Fair enough :wink:

But the actual Holy fools - are much more shocking. Take Simeon the Holy Fool - for example:

Now all I do is blend the writing style of Direct Response copywriters (i.e. Clayton Makepeace, Ben Hart, Joe Sugarman and Dan Kennedy), with the zaniness of historical, Vaudeville comedians (i.e. Harpo Marx, Curly Howard and Stan Laurel). :laughing:

But to be truthful, I am always conveying a message. But sometimes the actual message, is obscured by its subtlety. :wink: An historical example is Gulliver’s Travels. It’s a nice children’s tale. But it’s also a critic, on European society - during it’s historical time period.

And here’s another hint.

The more crazier the topic, position or poster viewpoint or attitude, the more the Holy Fool’s tradition - resonates with me. Kind of like the Jason (i.e. Friday the 13th) movies. Jason actually shows deep respect, for morality and good behavior. He just kills off the immoral and bad folks - usually. Most of his movies, however (with the exception of the first) - are actually quite bad.
Or we talk about 2 clowns running for office - Hillary and Donald. It brings out the Holy Fool in me.
Or someone is coming across as egocentric or making derogatory comments - for example. It awakens “the Holy Fool”.
Or somebody is just here - to cause trouble.
Or insisting they have the only correct viewpoint
Or we just need some comic relief - from a serious Bard Of Avon (i.e. William Shakespeare) play.

Get the picture :question:

Oh, I forgot. Cartoons and videos not being relevant? Actually, it’s all based upon keyword research. SEO (search engine optimization), is all based upon the proper keywords. I take keywords, from the current poster rendering (or my own rendering), to tie in the right cartoons and videos.


So you respect the Muslim ideology.

You are a candidate who should preview my up-coming O.P.

Do you have a duty to outlaw slavery in your country?

When will Western leaders do their duty and outlaw slavery in their countries?

Islam is a slave promoting ideology. Not only Allah demands submission of one’s freedom to him, his male Muslim slaves demand submission of all peoples.

“Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God, holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God, there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature; he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God, he imitates his master, and of all tyrants, the worst is a slave in power.” --Robert Ingersoll

As a free person, if you want to enjoy the rights your ancestors died for, then you have the responsibility to protect the rights of other free citizens and hope that if you ever need protection, others will recognize their responsibilities and stand for or with you.

That is the way freedom and democracy are supposed to work.

All one needs do is look at the plight of Muslim women, honor killing and disfiguration and FGM, to know without a doubt, that Islam is a slave owning ideology.

Muslim men demand submission from Muslim women to slavery and parade their successes and slaved women in our Western countries by dressing them as they do.

“First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I’m not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I’m not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I’m not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me.” – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

If you are a free person, do you see yourself as having a duty to free slaves in your country?

If so, are you trying to move your leadership to outlaw slavery and Islam, a slave cult, in your country?



Where did all this come from :question: :question: :question: :laughing: Did you just finish, watching some Donald Trump video tapes :question: :laughing: He’s ever the gentlemen now, in his new public persona. :exclamation:


But since everyone here usually embraces some form of Christian theology, that was the topic of my quote :exclamation: I’m certain not to embrace Islam - even though I am very knowledgeable about it. :smiley:

But you miss the boat, DL. Since Islam has really three groups:

The moderates (i.e. the vast majority)
The reformers (i.e. the minority)
The radicals (i.e. they take Mohammad’s 2 phases - Medina and Mecca - and emphasize the Medina Mohammad)






So, tldr (i.e. Too long didn’t read). That’s what it stands for - right? Even if it’s the same length - or less - as yours (which I’m mostly quoting, your rendition of pig Latin)? Which implies you only like to hear yourself talk. Right :question: :laughing:

And why “garbage”, oh “wise” one :question: You are a wise guy, right :question: :laughing:

Would you rather talk with these raccoons :question: :laughing:





When you have something more engaging to say, then the previous Geico raccoons - ping me. :laughing:

Otherwise, I have to continue my work on social media. Including to promote the AARP agenda, of Social Security and Medicare remaining intact.


Yes, one God in Three persons, equal in power and glory.


If equal as you say, then why is it that scriptures say that the penalty for cursing the holy ghost exceeds that of cursing the other two heads?

Further. If equal as you say, why is it only the Father than knows the time of the end?

These two point indicate inequality. Please clear up these discrepancies that refute what you put.



Are you speaking in Pig Latin again :question: :laughing:


The three Persons of the Trinity are ONE, so how could there be a difference in rank or power or glory? One God; three Persons. There is never a disagreement between them, therefore glory, power and rank are irrelevant. These three Persons have various specialties or functions. I’m not saying I possess some superior understanding of the Trinity–it’s a difficult concept and I’m probably so off on this that it’s laughable. Maybe though, I’m feeling around and trying to understand, and maybe I’m moving obliquely toward the truth–I’m trying anyway, as I know we all are.

So . . . my current “understanding” (for what it’s worth) is that the Holy Spirit is the wise adviser. See Her portrayal in Proverbs, personified as Wisdom. Jesus is the Word, the expression of God, by whom He communicated His love and His judgment of the race of the first Adam to us. Jesus became human to communicate with humans, then He gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit to teach us all things. The Holy Spirit goes out from the Father. The Son goes forth from the Father. That being the case, how could one infer some “lesser rank” or “lesser glory or power?” The Godhead is ONE. Levels of rank, glory and power are completely irrelevant. That’s my take.

Blessings, Cindy


We certainly agree on that, Cindy, though you are of course wrong in everything else. :laughing:


I asked this following above and ask you the same questions.

If equal as you say, then why is it that scriptures say that the penalty for cursing the holy ghost exceeds that of cursing the other two heads?

Further. If equal as you say, why is it only the Father than knows the time of the end?

These two point indicate inequality. Please clear up these discrepancies that refute what you put.



Scriptures say that Yahweh, our initial judge, was basically retired as judge when Jesus ascended and took the judgement seat at God’s right hand.

That makes Yahweh lesser than Jesus as Jesus is now a lot more important to us than Yahweh. Right?



Pointless talking about equality when nobody’s discussing what kind of equality they mean. Equal power? Equal roles? Equal glory? Equal divinity? Equal holiness?


Equal, the way Christians view the three in one God, is equal in all things. That has been stated above along with the different roles.



If we take the historic pre-Trinitarian Christian view there is no discrepancy.

The only true God begat a Son who is equally divine, but not equal in other respects. He Himself said, “The Father is greater than I.”
The Holy Spirit is the extension of the Persons of the Father and the Son—not a third divine Individual. Not a mere power, but personal. Not a third Person, but the extended Persons of the Father and the Son—sometimes of just one of Them. Thus we read in the New Testament of the spirit of God, and also of the spirit of Jesus—but never of the spirit of the Spirit.

Also in the New Testament, there is record of most prayer being addressed to God, one prayer addressed to Jesus by Stephen, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit,” and NO prayer addressed to the Holy Spirit. In modern hymn books, the Holy Spirit is frequently addressed as if a third divine Person.


Well done.

If we remember the Jewish inheritance laws to the eldest son, we see Jesus retiring and replacing his Father as judge of mankind, and accepting his inheritance.

If Christians wish to tie Jesus and Yahweh together in the Trinity, then they have to see Jesus as a genocidal son murdering prick who almost always kills instead of curing those he thinks afflicted by sin.

That is not the Jesus they pray to through their faith colored glasses.