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Matt 5;28 is totally misunderstood and taken out of context.
Because they take it out of context they end up with false sexual teaching
Also it is contradiction to God sexual plan and God’s sexual freedom he gave to all creation at creation.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Bible_Lust_Matthew_5_28_Taken_Out_Context
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All your questions are answered on my many web sites in detail.
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Oh, COME ON NOW! Including Zombies? And WHY do I need to DIGG through a website, to get my questions answered??? Can’t YOU give me the answers???
That’s a BIG COP OUT, in my book!!!
I’'ll Keep pressing these and other questions, until YOU give me the answers!!!
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" fornicate to yer heart’s content (if those are your thing) , "
You have the wrong definition for fornicate. Paul Defines it as joining in with pagan fertility god worship which God greatly hates and greatly gets angry over and kills over 100,000 for it. compare 1 Cor 10:8 to Nu 25:1-9, Nu 31, Fornicate is NOT single sex, is NOT premarital sex.
“and stop pushing others into immorality.”
I would ask religious leaders and others to stop forcing false “traditions of Men” teaching that are not even from the Bible in proper context.
They end up creating contradictions in the Bible, if anyone takes the time to do proper research. Even when religious leaders do research they do it eyes of “tradition of men” teachings. To fit into their false Gnotic Teachings passed down for many generations. Because they fear being FIRED.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Many_Pastors_Discover_the_Church_False_Sexual_Teachings
A retired pastor wrote “the Book Divine Sex” (FREE ON MY WEB SITE) which he also explains the false sexual teaching of many of the Local Churches . He was a pastor for 38 years then he retired and then he wrote the Book exposed the false sexual teaching of the local church.
On page 155 in Book Divine Sex Part 2 or 4 reads: see below
Don’t go to your preacher and ask him if this statement is true. Preachers are honest but blind about some things just like the rest of us.
In sexual matters especially, religious leaders have much to gain by NOT questioning the status quo and many will NOT even seriously consider any alternate viewpoint on any sexual matter.
They have been trained by their mentors, pressured by their peers, and threatened by their financial insecurity to give nothing but the “majority report” on sexual issues.
So if you want to be confident that you are getting close to
objective Bible truth, look for yourself.
You will be amazed, even flabbergasted at what you find
when you look for yourself, with eyes that want to see what is in the Bible.
You may even be angry at what has been kept from you by those who were responsible to tell you “just the truth ma’am,” but who, for many reasons, could not even find the truth for themselves.
Read the appendix to this book,
What I teach is truth in proper context in the Bible in Bible days. Man made dictionary are man made and only reflex how people use or misuse a word.
In this post we see how they misused the word fornication and especially misuse “sexual immoral” super greatly misunderstood and very mislead and false ideal contradiction to God and the Bible’s sexual freedom that God gave all creation at creation and creates false teachings to others,
"tradition of Men" Jesus greatly condemned. Today religious leader today are also guilty of false teaching from the passed down for a long time that become “traditions of men” Some tradition are ok but some are false and misleading and false teachings.
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All the sexual teaching from the “traditions of Men” teachings are wrong and misleading and create many contradictions to the Bible and violate Basic Bible Hermeneutic (the way to study a very old Book like the Bible)
Most all todays Church’s false sexual teachings came from false Gnotic teachings. Most pass down from the corrupt Catholic Church , they declare sexuality to be a sin so they could get more indulgence money. Remember the outlaw that the common person from have a copy of the Bible in there language. They burn people at the stake for doing that. And anyone who disagree with Catholic Church teaching were burned at the stake.
The only reason Martin Luther was not burn at the stake or killed by the Catholic Church was because the German Gov’t protected him. If he left Germany he would have been killed, like some of his very close followers were killed just outside the Germany border.
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Oh, COME ON NOW! Including Zombies? And WHY do I need to DIGG through a website, to get my questions answered??? Can’t YOU give me the answers???
That’s a BIG COP OUT, in my book!!!
I’'ll Keep pressing these and other questions, until YOU give me the answers!!!
And I’m sure my initial questions…and your initial answers…will raise more questions…as I sift though, this “interesting” perspective on premarital sex.
But I might have to continue, this exciting “learning experience” tomorrow. As Dr. Who is playing on BBC. And The Walking Dead on AMC. Both tonight, mind you! 
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Go back and read my post , I already answer many of your questions.
“And WHAT do you base this upon?”
I have been a Christian for over 58 years. I have a Bible College Degree, I have focusing on researching Bible sexual teaching strongly for the last 25 plus years.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=About_Myself_Why_I_started_this_web_site_15_years_ago.
Because I do all this for free, I receive no income (form doing this research and doing my web sites) of any kind .
Unlike religious leader who make an income and they are required to stay with the program and tell what you alway have heard or they get FIRED.
Therefore the “traditions of Man” doctrines and ideal are passed down without questions and if they question it, they are FIRED. The old days Catholic Church would “BE BURNED AT THE STAKE” for disagreeing.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Nudist_Pastor_Kicked_out_of_his_Church_in_LA
I answer to God, ALONE and not to religious leaders who teach you the “tradition of Men” Without question. If you raise your hand in church and say, “I disagree” they kick you out of church.
So how in the world can a person correct the false teaching parts of the “tradition of Men” if you can not stand up and be heard to see if you are right or wrong.
Today we have the World Wide Web and Forum to be able to say we disagree and explain why.
I started because I went on a Christian forum where the people were greatly condemning everyone the could over masturbation. I told them they were way out of line.
They took every Bible verse out of proper context to prove their false teaching about masturbation. That is how my web pages started. In my instents research I discovered that all their sexual teaching is false and misleading and taken out of proper context and very misleading.
I DID already. I just don’t UNDERSTAND. Cut and paste, where YOU mention zombies. Or the definition that Got Questions GOT wrong. Forgive my ignorance.
But if a professor is giving a lecture…and a student doesn’t understand something…they have every right, to ask questions on the topic!!
And I’m sure my initial questions…and your initial answers…will raise more questions…as I sift though, this “interesting” perspective on premarital sex.
But I might have to continue, this exciting “learning experience” tomorrow. As Dr. Who is playing on BBC. And The Walking Dead on AMC. Both tonight, mind you!
I’m the student! You are the professor!
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You say “But if a professor is giving a lecture…and a student doesn’t understand something…they have every right, to ask questions on the topic!!”
NOT necessary. Maybe he may answer one question, but not ten. Also a Professor give out a lot of homework he/she expects you to take the time to do. Many will require you to read books and even make you do a 20+ turn paper after you do a lot of research on the subject.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Web_Pages_List
You may not believe me, so I put many others on my web pages so you can read what they say.
Other who also do a lot sexual research in the Bible and also discover that religious leaders are not teaching about sexuality what the Bible say in context.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Many_Pastors_Discover_the_Church_False_Sexual_Teachings
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Book__Sex_in_the_Bible_The_Untold_Truth_by_Evan_Turner
Stepping away from religious tradition, Sex in the Bible compares scripture to scripture to find out exactly what God has to say about human sexuality—and what it reveals may shock you.
Free Book Download go to:
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Book_Divine_Sex_FREE_Online_Part_1_of_4
Sex and Christian liberty ,pg 225 How can this be right if everyone thinks it is wrong? page 18 Everything God created is inherently good page 251 What is the true meaning of the original words? page 293 What is the literary context of those words? page 296 What is the cultural/historical context? page 298
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You need to show the verse or verses you are talking about to understand the context.
Most all negative sex talk in the Bible is related to joining in with the pagan fertility god Baal worship (which Paul Defines as fornication) or stealing another man’s women owned by him.
Jas 2:12 So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free.
Romans 7:4 (GW). In the same way, brothers and sisters, you
Ro 13:9 - For the commandments against adultery and murder and stealing and coveting – and any other commandment – are all summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
2Co 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation ; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
God gave sexual freedom to all creation at creation. 2 Sam 12:8. SOS 6:8 King David and King Solomon clearly understood this. they had UNLIMITED SEX PARTNER freedom give to all NOT only David and Solomon to all creation for all times including you today.
Also read Act 10 and Act 11
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Yes I have. Research 1 Cor 10:8 and Nu 25: 1-9 and Nu 31 and anyone should conclude that Paul’s definition for Fornication is the joining in with the Baal pagan fertility god worship and that definition fits in all the 39 verse that use fornication in them in proper context. Anyone who takes the time to read the whole Bible in context clearly see this is truth also in all the Bible in Bible times.
What terms are you talking about?
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http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Bible_Verses_Freedom_to_Love_Others_Deeply
Most religious people totally take many verses totally out of proper context to prove their anti-sex freedom false sexual teaching.
When you properly research Bible sexuality you start at Gen 1;1 and go forward.
1.) Today much of the Church’s Sexual teaching violates basic hermeneutic principles . To study a Bible subject you should start at the beginning, Gen 1:1, and study forward and study the context, culture, and history of the Bible times. They do the opposite with sexuality; they take some verses out of context in the NT and then go backward and ignore all context, culture, and history of the Bible times and come up with the wrong conclusions.
2.) Fornication , Major context connected to negative sexuality talk in all the whole Bible times, both OT and NT is the joining in the worship of a pagan fertility god per Paul’s Bible correct definition, which in the Bible – Paul called “fornication” was the joining in with the pagan fertility god worship, compare 1Cor 10:8 with Number 25: 1-9 , Nu 31:15, 18 which describes and defines fornication. Look up all the word for fornication and you will see will be the case. Study all fornication verse in correct context and all are in pagan worship of pagan god.
Most all negative sex talk in the Bible is related to joining in with the pagan fertility god Baal worship (which Paul Defines as fornication) or stealing another man’s women owned by him.
When you read the whole Bible you would see all the sexual freedom he gives people with NO negative comment of any.
NOT only no negative comment from God also you God greatly promoting polygamy and even forcing people to be polygamy.
Also nudity God demanded his most holy prophet to go 100% NUDE for 3 years even if he did not want to.
God created all things 100% NUDE. God want all people NUDIST God proves it at his creation. We disobey God creation plan and obey sinful Adam and Eve who sinned again God.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Naturism_Christianity_Supports_Naturism
Then some religious person want to teach you the opposite of God and tells you that God is anti-nudist.
God created sexuality and said it is excellence. Gen 1:31 Then religious leaders want to tell you sex is evil. Opposite from God.
SOS greatly praise sexual enjoyment and they are NOT married in SOS.
In the OT times, Married women have sex in the middle of their wedding day. After their wedding day they are NOT a virgin.
In SOS she is still a virgin SOS 8:10 meaning they are NOT marriage as many religious hint to you that they are marriage. Most religious leader will never even teach SOS and many if they do make an allegory out of it.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Bible_Song_Of_Solomon_They_Were_NOT_Married
Clearly there is a lot of nude sex play in SOS out side of marriage.
By the end of Splomon’s life he had over 1000 wives and concubines. The only negative from God was that he disobey God letting his pagan wives worship their pagan fertility god and other Baal pagan god in Israel.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Bible_Solomon_Many_Wives_Young_Age_Godly_wives_Vs._Old_Age_Pagan_wives
If Solomon only had 1000 wives and concubines and NO pagan wives there would no negative comment from any one and not from God either.
King David had over 20++ wives and concubines and God himself said he gave David all his many wives and concubines. And said he could have UNLIMITED SEX PARTNER. 2 Sam 12:8 SOS 6:8.
Then religious leaders tell you polygamy is evil, opposite of what God said. And of course they do not me to question them or disagree with them.
This is where you start researching sexuality.
This subject stirs passions, and some interpreters think Paul does not. My own perception is that Paul (Rom. 1) has a condemning view of ‘homosexuality’, seeing it as epitomizing the choice to reject what we “know,” and then choose to pursue actions which are not “natural” to us, thus “exchanging” or perverting what is “natural” for them into what is “unnatural” to them (i.e. contrary to their nature). I peronally share the modern observation that this is not what most gay friends have done, who actually have desperately tried to choose to be straight (but experienced that as trying to exchange something unwanted that they found in their given nature).
Thus my question above was simply whether we should feel certain that this traditional judgment of regarding homosexuals as abominations makes correct “sense,” or leads to being “gracious” towards homosexuals. My impression is that Biblical culture associated homosexual relations with worshipping idols and with (often married heterosexuals) abusing children for their selfish pleasure, and never contemplates, nor thus can even address, what some Christians affirm today, a loving and faithful covenantal union of believers. My approach is best summed up in Eric Reitan’s recent book, “The Triumph of Love.”
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Bible Church misunderstands Gal 5:19, 1 Cor 6:9
Again the major context here is the joining in with pagan fertility god Baal worship which was all over the place. Israelite and Christian were alway surrounded and greatly outnumber by these pagan worshippers.
Most all negative sex talk like. this is almost alway in direct connection with this Baal pagan fertility god worship. This is all over the Bible.
If you read the whole Bible, you this pagan fertility god worship everywhere, But at the same time you see God given sexual freedom with no negative words from God everywhere.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness,lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before , as I have also told you in time past , that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
They totally misunderstand and take it out of Bible context. Gal 5:19-21 Don’t focus on individual words or items because they can be misunderstood and have wrong man made definitions and taken out of context, but look at it as Paul is describing a religion group of pagan fertility god worshipers worshiping the fertility pagan god or they are standing on the opposite street corner. (this is the context) This would be part of the Church’s letters to Paul that we do not have, we have to guess.
Think of a group of people doing these group of items regularly, weekly, if not daily. a similar list 4 other times in the Bible**,(1 Cor 6:9, Eph 5:3-6, Col 3:5-6, Rev 22:14-15)** but they are not the same list they different but the same ideal, a group of item, describing a group of pagans worshiper worshiping a fertility god or other Baal pagan gods.
This was the major religion group of the whole Bible times.
They were out numbered and surrounded by them both in the OT and NT , the whole Bible times…1 Cor 10:8, Nu 25: 1-9, Nu 31 This is the correct context to understand these verses.
Wrong definition of the word fornication. Not single sex , but pagan fertility god worship in hope of getting good farm crops. 1 Cor 10:8 to Nu 25: 1-9 Nu 31 Same thing done in both places. Paul defines the word fornication or sexual immoral as pagan fertility god worship. Pagan fertility god worshiper do not go to heaven.
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Fornication_Correctly_Defined_with_all_Bible_Verses
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Fornication_Does_NOT_have_10_different_meaning_like_they_want_to_tell_you.
Fornication , It is the joining in with the worship of the pagan fertility god sex orgy to worship the fertility god. Compare 1 Cor 10:8 to Nu 25:1-9 Nu 31 then religious leaders say single person sex are not saved because of Gal 5:19 fornicators or = to “sex outside one male, one female marriage" are not going to heaven. This is a Wrong conclusion, based on a wrong definition.
**So if you have a normal healthy sex drive you go to hell. 100% wrong. God made sex and gave 100% creation sexual freedom at creation.SOS 6;8 2 Sam 12;8
God said sex is good or excellent Gen 1:31**
**David, Solomon and most every one in the Bible understands they have sexual freedom from God to have unlimited sex partners. 2 Sam 12: 8 , SOS 6:8 all the polygamy in the Bible,
God promote polygamy Nu 31 gave 16,000 pagan girls to 12,000 soldiers. (Remember this is only one battle) Many other examples.**
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Polygamy_God_is_Very_Pro_Polygamy
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Index_Polygamy_Marriage
Many Godly men in the Bible had sex outside the “one male, one female” marriage was no problem to God at all.
There are even Laws in OT to help answer polygamy question like in Ex 21:10, 11
The human shape has not changed over the last 2000 years, so why should God’s law? If homosexuality, prostitution and the like was wrong ago 2000 years ago, why should it be right in our time?
Oh, YOO HOO. Professor Stink About-it. Yoo Hoo.
And you are basing these assumptions on WHAT EXACTLY?
Well, I have
A BA from Aurora University in Math
An MA from Norwich University in psychology.
And I spent several years, taking courses - at the College of Dupage. In many different disciplines - to BOOT.
And you know what, professor?
NOT one professor ever accused me - of NOT reading the material.
Or asking TOO many questions.
So my personal experience, CONTRADICTS what you said here.
And what about Socrates?
Did folks in the Republic, tell him to read certain books or material?
Socrates: The Father Of Western Philosophy - 5 minute video
NO. Never!. He went around asking questions.
Or take the author Ayn Rand. In her book, Atlas Shrugged…she made the symbol, of one of her main characters - the Question mark.
Or take the TV detective Colombo.
How did he find answers? By asking questions.
And nobody ever told him
to read a certain book…
check a certain website…
Etc.
So I’ll keep on asking questions of you…to find the answers…
After all, you are presenting a viewpoint…that the RC, EO and Protestant churches and theologians…would adamantly disagree with…as well as most folks on this forum.
And YOU are claiming to have…the HOLY GRAIL…of understanding Biblical sexual morality.
So you are either:
A genius
Psychotic
Delusional
On drugs
Egocentric
Etc.
Take your pick, mind you!
And for the record, I have also studied marketing…and direct response copywriting.
So I do know a little bit, about “selling” a product or position.
Which is what you are trying to do.
Am I right?
“Forgiveness is a gift you give yourself.”-- Suzanne Somers
My view is that what is right or wrong does not fundamentally change. If you read me as arguing that being a homosexual was immoral 2000 years ago, then I wasn’t sufficiently clear. I argued precisely that it was always problematic to insist that being homosexual makes one an abomination, and never made moral sense.
I’d add some nuance. I find Paul’s argument that sexual union powerfully unites two persons convincing, and thus that for either sexual orientation, it’s great and most secure fulfillment will be found in a loving and committed covenantal relationship. So as I said before, I see a wise Bible emphasis here is on protecting that secure marital bond, and less on demonizing premarital acts.
Still, I witness that there are problematic vulnerabilities and potential pain in sex apart from such an enduring covenantal relationship, and this suggests real wisdom in the tradition that cautions about pre-marital physical intimacy (especially if that warning can avoid the sense that sex itself is not a wonderful thing).
And on another note - not everyone wants to marry a person who has been promiscuous. For reasons obvious and some not obvious as well.
Amen
