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Pre-Marital Sex is it wrong


#41

Bob, doesn’t Paul in no uncertain terms condemn homosexuality?


#42

Let me summarize, this thread’s central message…via a song, we can all sing along with! :smile:

“Health does not always come from medicine. Sometimes it comes from peace of mind, peace in the heart, peace in the soul. It comes from laughter and love.”-- Author Unknown

And this brings to mind, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Native American Red Road…With unchanged truths and ways, passed down throughout the centuries.


#43

Just get married. Really. Then you can run around nekkid all you want, watch porn with your spouse, fornicate to yer heart’s content (if those are your thing) , and stop pushing others into immorality. Easy-peasy.
And you’ll learn how love is both easy and difficult, but all worth it.

We all know who the -‘sexually active’ really are, right? - it’s MARRIED people.


#44

Here’s Joseph Prince’s perspective:

Joseph Prince - Experience Victory Over Sexual Immorality (Full Sermon) 23-Aug-2015


#45

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Matt 5;28 is totally misunderstood and taken out of context.

Because they take it out of context they end up with false sexual teaching

Also it is contradiction to God sexual plan and God’s sexual freedom he gave to all creation at creation.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Bible_Lust_Matthew_5_28_Taken_Out_Context


#46

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All your questions are answered on my many web sites in detail.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Expose_Wrong_Sex_Teaching_With_URLs


#47

So what is the proper context?


#48

Oh, COME ON NOW! Including Zombies? And WHY do I need to DIGG through a website, to get my questions answered??? Can’t YOU give me the answers???

That’s a BIG COP OUT, in my book!!!

I’'ll Keep pressing these and other questions, until YOU give me the answers!!!


#49

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" fornicate to yer heart’s content (if those are your thing) , "

You have the wrong definition for fornicate. Paul Defines it as joining in with pagan fertility god worship which God greatly hates and greatly gets angry over and kills over 100,000 for it. compare 1 Cor 10:8 to Nu 25:1-9, Nu 31, Fornicate is NOT single sex, is NOT premarital sex.

“and stop pushing others into immorality.”

I would ask religious leaders and others to stop forcing false “traditions of Men” teaching that are not even from the Bible in proper context.

They end up creating contradictions in the Bible, if anyone takes the time to do proper research. Even when religious leaders do research they do it eyes of “tradition of men” teachings. To fit into their false Gnotic Teachings passed down for many generations. Because they fear being FIRED.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Many_Pastors_Discover_the_Church_False_Sexual_Teachings

A retired pastor wrote “the Book Divine Sex” (FREE ON MY WEB SITE) which he also explains the false sexual teaching of many of the Local Churches . He was a pastor for 38 years then he retired and then he wrote the Book exposed the false sexual teaching of the local church.

On page 155 in Book Divine Sex Part 2 or 4 reads: see below


Don’t go to your preacher and ask him if this statement is true. Preachers are honest but blind about some things just like the rest of us.

In sexual matters especially, religious leaders have much to gain by NOT questioning the status quo and many will NOT even seriously consider any alternate viewpoint on any sexual matter.

They have been trained by their mentors, pressured by their peers, and threatened by their financial insecurity to give nothing but the “majority report” on sexual issues.

So if you want to be confident that you are getting close to

objective Bible truth, look for yourself.

You will be amazed, even flabbergasted at what you find

when you look for yourself, with eyes that want to see what is in the Bible.

You may even be angry at what has been kept from you by those who were responsible to tell you “just the truth ma’am,” but who, for many reasons, could not even find the truth for themselves.

Read the appendix to this book,


What I teach is truth in proper context in the Bible in Bible days. Man made dictionary are man made and only reflex how people use or misuse a word.

In this post we see how they misused the word fornication and especially misuse “sexual immoral” super greatly misunderstood and very mislead and false ideal contradiction to God and the Bible’s sexual freedom that God gave all creation at creation and creates false teachings to others,

"tradition of Men" Jesus greatly condemned. Today religious leader today are also guilty of false teaching from the passed down for a long time that become “traditions of men” Some tradition are ok but some are false and misleading and false teachings.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Expose_Wrong_Sex_Teaching_With_URLs

All the sexual teaching from the “traditions of Men” teachings are wrong and misleading and create many contradictions to the Bible and violate Basic Bible Hermeneutic (the way to study a very old Book like the Bible)

Most all todays Church’s false sexual teachings came from false Gnotic teachings. Most pass down from the corrupt Catholic Church , they declare sexuality to be a sin so they could get more indulgence money. Remember the outlaw that the common person from have a copy of the Bible in there language. They burn people at the stake for doing that. And anyone who disagree with Catholic Church teaching were burned at the stake.

The only reason Martin Luther was not burn at the stake or killed by the Catholic Church was because the German Gov’t protected him. If he left Germany he would have been killed, like some of his very close followers were killed just outside the Germany border.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=How_Sex_Was_Made_A_Sin


#50

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Oh, COME ON NOW! Including Zombies? And WHY do I need to DIGG through a website, to get my questions answered??? Can’t YOU give me the answers???

That’s a BIG COP OUT, in my book!!!

I’'ll Keep pressing these and other questions, until YOU give me the answers!!!

And I’m sure my initial questions…and your initial answers…will raise more questions…as I sift though, this “interesting” perspective on premarital sex.

But I might have to continue, this exciting “learning experience” tomorrow. As Dr. Who is playing on BBC. And The Walking Dead on AMC. Both tonight, mind you! :smile:


#51

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Go back and read my post , I already answer many of your questions.

“And WHAT do you base this upon?”

I have been a Christian for over 58 years. I have a Bible College Degree, I have focusing on researching Bible sexual teaching strongly for the last 25 plus years.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=About_Myself_Why_I_started_this_web_site_15_years_ago.

Because I do all this for free, I receive no income (form doing this research and doing my web sites) of any kind .

Unlike religious leader who make an income and they are required to stay with the program and tell what you alway have heard or they get FIRED.

Therefore the “traditions of Man” doctrines and ideal are passed down without questions and if they question it, they are FIRED. The old days Catholic Church would “BE BURNED AT THE STAKE” for disagreeing.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Nudist_Pastor_Kicked_out_of_his_Church_in_LA

I answer to God, ALONE and not to religious leaders who teach you the “tradition of Men” Without question. If you raise your hand in church and say, “I disagree” they kick you out of church.

So how in the world can a person correct the false teaching parts of the “tradition of Men” if you can not stand up and be heard to see if you are right or wrong.

Today we have the World Wide Web and Forum to be able to say we disagree and explain why.

I started because I went on a Christian forum where the people were greatly condemning everyone the could over masturbation. I told them they were way out of line.

They took every Bible verse out of proper context to prove their false teaching about masturbation. That is how my web pages started. In my instents research I discovered that all their sexual teaching is false and misleading and taken out of proper context and very misleading.


#52

I DID already. I just don’t UNDERSTAND. Cut and paste, where YOU mention zombies. Or the definition that Got Questions GOT wrong. Forgive my ignorance.

But if a professor is giving a lecture…and a student doesn’t understand something…they have every right, to ask questions on the topic!!

And I’m sure my initial questions…and your initial answers…will raise more questions…as I sift though, this “interesting” perspective on premarital sex.

But I might have to continue, this exciting “learning experience” tomorrow. As Dr. Who is playing on BBC. And The Walking Dead on AMC. Both tonight, mind you! :smile:

I’m the student! You are the professor!


#53

Even if fornication doesn’t mean sex between unmarried people, Paul condemns “impurity” and “sensuality”, which probably would cover sex between unmarried people.


#54

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You say “But if a professor is giving a lecture…and a student doesn’t understand something…they have every right, to ask questions on the topic!!”

NOT necessary. Maybe he may answer one question, but not ten. Also a Professor give out a lot of homework he/she expects you to take the time to do. Many will require you to read books and even make you do a 20+ turn paper after you do a lot of research on the subject.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Web_Pages_List

You may not believe me, so I put many others on my web pages so you can read what they say.

Other who also do a lot sexual research in the Bible and also discover that religious leaders are not teaching about sexuality what the Bible say in context.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Many_Pastors_Discover_the_Church_False_Sexual_Teachings

1.) FREE Book Sex in the Bible the Untold TRUTH by Evan Turner

FREE Kindle read. Kindle apt is FREE also. Paper back $14.01

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Book__Sex_in_the_Bible_The_Untold_Truth_by_Evan_Turner

Sex in the Bible The Untold Truth by Evan Turner What is the Christian view of sex? What about God’s view? Are you surprised to know that the two might not line up?

Stepping away from religious tradition, Sex in the Bible compares scripture to scripture to find out exactly what God has to say about human sexuality—and what it reveals may shock you.

2.) FREE Book Divine Sex FREE Online .PDF file

Free Book Download go to:
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Book_Divine_Sex_FREE_Online_Part_1_of_4

Sex and Christian liberty ,pg 225 How can this be right if everyone thinks it is wrong? page 18 Everything God created is inherently good page 251 What is the true meaning of the original words? page 293 What is the literary context of those words? page 296 What is the cultural/historical context? page 298


#55

Ink, I have no problem with sharing ‘unorthodox’ views. But if you’re going to advocate a position, you should be able to cogently argue for it. So far you have not done so WRT premarital sex.


#56

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You need to show the verse or verses you are talking about to understand the context.

Most all negative sex talk in the Bible is related to joining in with the pagan fertility god Baal worship (which Paul Defines as fornication) or stealing another man’s women owned by him.

Jas 2:12 So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free.

Romans 7:4 (GW). In the same way, brothers and sisters, you

have died to the laws in Moses’ Teachings through

Christ’s body. You belong to someone else, the one who

was brought back to life. As a result, we can do what

God wants.

Ro 13:9 - For the commandments against adultery and murder and stealing and coveting – and any other commandment are all summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

2Co 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation ; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

God gave sexual freedom to all creation at creation. 2 Sam 12:8. SOS 6:8 King David and King Solomon clearly understood this. they had UNLIMITED SEX PARTNER freedom give to all NOT only David and Solomon to all creation for all times including you today.

Also read Act 10 and Act 11
http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Bible_All_Things_Made_Clean_or_Pure


#57

You didn’t explain what those terms mean. IMO you’re a troll.


#58

Yes I have. Research 1 Cor 10:8 and Nu 25: 1-9 and Nu 31 and anyone should conclude that Paul’s definition for Fornication is the joining in with the Baal pagan fertility god worship and that definition fits in all the 39 verse that use fornication in them in proper context. Anyone who takes the time to read the whole Bible in context clearly see this is truth also in all the Bible in Bible times.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Pagan_Fertility_god_Aphrodite

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Pagan_gods_of_the_Bible_Days


#59

What terms are you talking about?

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Expose_Wrong_Sex_Teaching_With_URLs

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Bible_Verses_Freedom_to_Love_Others_Deeply


#60

“Sensuality” and “impurity”, which are also condemned in Galatians 5:19.