Preaching to the dead

[Agnostic_Gabe]

On what basis do you give these particular post -cross resurrected saints Jesus’ same firstfruits resurrection but then to none else pre or post cross… how does this work?

I’d like Paidion to answer this as well.

[Paidion]

Just so that you understand, Gabe, I no longer answer any of Davo’s questions. I no longer wish open myself to his ridicule of my reasoning and his personal attacks.

[maintenanceman]

Checkmate.

[PastorMark]

Nah… not me

[FineLinen]

THE W said

Clearly you don’t know that either as that verse says nothing about the gospel being preached to the deceased. dead means spiritually dead. those dead in sin are souls in prison(ephesians 2:1-5). the power of the gospel frees them from their prison. the gospel both condemns the sinner for falling short of God’s glory(judges them as men in the flesh) as well as provides a way of redemption(live according to God in the Spirit…or zao).

there are no seconds chances bud…sorry.

Dear W:

Our Father’s purposes are not rooted in chance, first, second, third! This is NOT a Heavenly gambling casino!!

“Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit.” -Rotherham Emphasized-

Dead=

nekros= a corpse (from nekus)=

Breathed his last/ lifeless.

Deceased/ departed.

Destitute of life/ without life.

Inanimate.

Disobedient= apeitheo=

Not to allow one’s self to be persuaded.

To refuse or withhold belief & obedience.

To refuse belief and obedience.

Not to comply with.

Live= zao=

To be alive with resurrection life.

Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

[FineLinen]

Never ever limit the God of Glory! His reach goes beyond anything any of us can imagine.

“under the earth”= katachthonios

Katachtonios rooted in chthon

“So that all created beings in heaven and on earth - even those long ago dead and buried - will bow in worship before Jesus Christ.”

Rotherham Emphasized=

“In order that, in the name of Jesus, every knee might bow—of beings in heaven, and on earth, and underground,— and, every tongue, might openly confess—that Jesus Christ is, Lord, unto the glory of God the Father.”

Jesus Christ ministers to the disobedient dead and the outcome is glorious!

[Hermano]

Here is my current understanding on the topic:

Risen Christ Preached to the Spirits in Prison

From Wikipedia :

In Christian theology, the Harrowing of Hell (Latin: Descensus Christi ad Inferos, “the descent of Christ into Hell”) is the triumphant descent of Christ into Hell (or Hades) between the time of his Crucifixion and his Resurrection when he brought salvation to all of the righteous who had died since the beginning of the world.

Apparently, the abode of the dead below, known as “Sheol” in Hebrew, and “Hades” in Greek, used to have two compartments , one for the righteous dead known as “Paradise” or “Abraham’s bosom,” and one for the sinful dead.

However, after Christ’s perfect Blood was shed, the righteous dead could now go up to heaven. So when Christ ascended back to heaven, the Paradise compartment went up with him, and was relocated above, becoming a temporal subsection of heaven. (Regarding these distinctions, consider 1 Sam. 28:11-19, Luke 16:19-31, 23:40-43; Ephesians 4:8; 2 Corinthians 12:2-4.)

After he died, Christ went down below to Sheol in spirit, and apparently visited both compartments:

1. He “proclaimed” to the sinful dead in their compartment of torment (1 Peter 3:19-20)—and there they will remain until Judgment and their transfer to the remedial lake of fire; whereas,
2. He “preached the gospel” to righteous dead in their “Paradise” compartment known as “Abraham’s bosom” (1 Peter 4:6), and they subsequently followed Christ to heaven at his ascension (Eph. 4:8), because they had been “prisoners of HOPE” (Zech. 9:9-12).

Regarding Christ’s visit below to the sinful dead:

1 Peter 3:18-21 (ESV)
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
19 in which he went and PROCLAIMED [kēryssō] to the spirits in prison,
20 because they formerly DID NOT OBEY, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Regarding Christ’s visit below to the righteous dead:

1 Peter 4:4-7 (ESV)
4 With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you ;
5 but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
6 For THIS IS WHY the GOSPEL was preached [euaggelizō, to bring good news] even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.
7 The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.

Note: I think Peter’s reference to those who died in the Flood of Noah, does not limit Christ’s visit to the sinful dead to only those that died in that catastrophe. Rather, Peter referenced them specifically because he was also setting up a connection to WATER BAPTISM, the reality of suffering, and the need for self-control in a corrupt world.

[FineLinen]

Dear Hermano: Wikipedia is a wonderful resource, but alas they have zero knowledge of what is transpiring in the anointed words of St. Peter. There were exactly 8 individuals who were saved on the ark. The rest were buried in the great flood and are identified as “disobedient” and “nekros”.

Disobedient= apeitheo=

Not to allow one’s self to be persuaded.

To refuse or withhold belief & obedience.

To refuse belief and obedience.

Not to comply with.

These ones who the Master visited at His resurrection from the dead, were ministered zao life.

Live= zao=

To be alive with resurrection life.

"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. "

https://www.biblehub.com/1_peter/4-6.htm

[steve7150]

The risen Christ preaches to the dead

“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”

I don’t think Christ preached to the dead here but rather Noah preached to the people in his time through the Spirit of Christ because Peter called Noah a preacher of righteousness.

[FineLinen]

Dear Steve: Noah was indeed a preacher of righteousness. The net result of his preaching = zero. The risen Christ preaching to the dead = 100% success!.

“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”

Zoe is rooted in zaō.

Zoe =

Zoe - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard

zaō =

Life, live, quick in the Bible (127 verses). Greek: ζάω, zaō, G2198