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Reading the Bible

It’s been a long time since i’ve sat down and read the Word. when i was younger, i read it several times (skipping the genealogies and some of the historical bits). however over time i developed a strange feeling that with all the questions i had, the things i was into (most are condemned by fundamentalists, though i approached them thoughtfully, prayerfully and rationally and found no real sin) etc, i found myself almost fearing to read it as it was. it was like it was becoming toxified for me. also, given the number of times i’d read it…i wasn’t even sure where to begin again!
i think my theological tradition, despite the happy-clappy bits, where actually quite condemning…and that shaded my view of the word, and still does (the thought “what if they’re right about hell and ‘holiness’ etc etc?” still plagues me at times!)
i expected, irrationally with my experience, God to speak out of His word and condemn me for all the nonfundamentalist stuff i was doing.
i was hoping, with my discovery of UR, that my feelings would change…that i’d once again launch into it and do the “Christian” thing of having time in the word regularly and praying like i ought.
this didn’t happen…the fear still lurked (confirmed, annoyingly, a few times when i did try to read it and it seemed so stern and angry, and some hopeful passages i had thought i knew the location of weren’t where i thought they were!)
i progressed on, however, in my path…reading this forum, reading books that Sobornost lent me (thanks!!! hope they’re not too dog-eared for you when i get them back to you!) by such authors as Rene Girard (excellent!), Dave Tomlinson (excellent too, and now i’m attending his church!) and most recently Matthew Fox (who i have just started to get into…apparently his later work is a bit new agey, but this is an old book: Original Blessing). all of these authors, many of your comments on this forum, and many chats i’ve had with other post-evangelical types who see the questions as vital things to explore, not ignore, etc etc.

so i am feeling again a bit like i want to read the word. i am hoping now to approach it from an exploratory non-inerrantist/UR/Girardian/Creation Theology mindset, and see if i can get past this toxicity that has poisoned my relationship with it. i still hold it in high regard…believing it to be a vital revelation of God’s relationship to man from man’s perspective (mostly).

so practically speaking…i think i should ditch my NIV and KJV ones (not literally throw them out!), and try something a bit better, a bit less slanted. there’s YLT, obviously…but something a bit more readable might help. there’s the tentmaker list of non-toxic Bibles, which i may take a look at again…but i’d like to know your personal preferences.
also, is there a method of reading anyone has found helpful? a starting point? i am woefully undisciplined, so i doubt i’d stick well to any kind of long term plan…but maybe something short term and interesting that you’ve personally found inspiring.

HI James -

Since you are attending an Anglican Church, how’s about reading the bible with the liturgical cycle so tha tyour reading is ni synch with the lectionary readings at Church on Sunday and are in accord with the rhythms of the Church year? If you want a Giradian aid to lectionary cycle reading see -

girardianlectionary.net/

It’s a very good site.

A book that many have found helpful in getting to a non-toxic undesrtading of scripture - which entails not only intellecutal work but also work at reimagining familiar scenes and unpacking emotional responses that are no longer useful - is ‘God of Surprises’ by Gerrard Hughes. (Gerrard Hughes’ other books have been praised on site by Jeff and Melchi)

Blessings

Dick

thanks Sobornost, that is appreciated…particularly the Girardian site!

Yeah, I’ve been thinking of getting back into it myself… still dragging my feet on it though :neutral_face:

Once upon a time I would have said the bible was my favorite book because I thought it OUGHT to be my favorite book, and I WANTED it to be my favorite book. However I’ve discovered that the bible is not just a book, but an amazing and wonderful way/place to meet with God. Any believer who is not meeting God in His word is so missing it. It is a magnificent experience. You see things there that you never ever saw before. I cannot say enough about this incredible living book. Seriously, guys. Dive in, and seek Him as you read. He will cause it to flash and shine for you!

I am very much in the same place you are, Corpselight. Even tonight I was talking with my friend about approaching the scripture in a new way. She doesn’t have all the same baggage that I do, so it seems easy to her. But I have to work very hard to shut out a lot of bad teaching and feelings of condemnation.

I am going to take a look at God of Surprises to see if it will help me.

My friend and I are reading through Andrew Murray’s Abide in Me. I am hoping this will prepare my heart to dive back in, reading as if I believe that God is good and loving.

I am hoping I will find much guidance on past posts here on the forum.

Blessings to you in your endeavor.

Kelli

thanks Kelli! always good to realise i’m not alone in this feeling!
still haven’t started but it’s been a really busy weekend. hopefully things calming down a bit now

Yeah, I tried to get back into a few weeks ago, starting in Genesis. Got about three chapters and stopped… may try to pick it back up again after Christmas and New Years, when things have slowed down a bit…

glad i’m not the only one!

Cyndi…thanks for the blessing. i pray it happens soon! i want to feel about it the way David felt about the bit he had available!

I can chime in too that I also went through a period where I didn’t want to read the bible. It is really hard to read it and not hear with it everything you’ve been previously taught.

If we’re reading the bible in a toxic way, I wonder if it doesn’t cause more harm than good and if maybe there’s a season for everything, even taking a break from reading it? This reminds me of my sister, who went through an abusive marriage. The church was such an obstacle to her physical and emotional well being that she came to the conclusion she must avoid it for a period of time to get back on her feet. And while she was in that period, which you’d think is unwise since you aren’t technicly suppose to avoid fellowship, God was definitely right by her side, speaking to her heart and providing for her.

I finally returned to reading my bible and do love it again. There are some parts I struggle with still, but figure there are good answers, ones I’m just not aware of yet. I’m not afraid to read anymore. I see things I definitely didn’t see before. One night I stayed up reading Isaiah until the wee hours in the morning and a lightbulb went off that if God poured a cup of wrath on his own people, who he loves, in order to turn them, he must equally love their enemies because he was going to give it to them too. I’d never thought about it like that before and I felt so encouraged.

I really love the 1 Cor. 13 passage about love and the book of 1 John. They really are so beautiful! Jesus’ words seem so wise to me, though there is an occasional parable I’ll struggle to understand. It’s been a real treat to see hints from Paul that God’s purpose is to have mercy on all and that God, though he cuts off, can put back a branch.

If our minds have been saturated with false belief, it only seems right that we’ll need to be reinforced in a new way of thinking in order to undue it. I’ve found it immensely helpful to focus on love. Thomas Talbott really helped too. :smiley:

thanks Amy. you raise some excellent points…shouldn’t really beat myself up for needing a break!

i haven’t been too idle, having read the books Sobornost has leant me (some Rene Girard, who really detoxifies the scapegoat mechanism; some Dave Tomlinson, which actually got me back into church properly; and some Matthew Fox, which i am currently working through). not the same as reading the Bible itself of course, but it’s kind of like a process of drawing out the venom…or to make it a bit less nasty sounding…giving me new perspectives on difficult parts of the Bible. now if i can just shut up the voice that wants to take passages out of context, or ignore the metanarrative, etc and read verses in the worst possible light!
maybe i’m being a bit unfair about my previous Christian teaching…maybe i’m just naturally pessimistic lol

Have you taken into consideration listening to the Bible?

I have benefited from an NLT Audio Bible I got a few years ago. It’s not the greatest reading ever, but I have found it helpful all the same.

You might consider looking into “The Word of Promise” NKJV, which was voiced by big-name actors (but don’t hold that against it! :laughing: ) and is dramatized. The sound effects and different voices can really fuel the imagination as you’re going over a passage. Sometimes, even when the actors give an awkward reading, you catch the dis-jointed sound of it, and it causes you to reflect on the passage even more.

Then again, I personally tend to learn well in an auditory manner. If you’re not an auditory learner, it might not be as helpful as it’s been for me. Just some food for thought.

that’s actually a really good idea. when i was little i used to listen to the Bible on tape (i’m old enough for that to have been possible :laughing: ) and i thought it was great at that age.