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Salted with Fire?

I understand the salted with fire thing (I think), but what does Jesus mean by the rest of this? Sacrifices salted with salt (yes, I realize they did this with Temple sacrifices), salt losing its savor, having salt within yourselves . . . and where did the have peace with one another thing come in? That doesn’t seem to follow.

Thanks!

It seems that “and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt” was a later addition. It detracts from our understanding since it seems unrelated to figurative manner in which the passage speaks.

*And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’For everyone will be salted with fire. Salt is good, but if the salt has lost its saltiness, how will you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another.”*ESV

Physical salt can sting, especially if it placed on a wound. Salt can also purify, by killing germs.

The fires of Gehenna sting, are painful, and they also purify those who will be placed there. Pure salt cannot lose its saltiness. But if salt is mined, the rock salt can have its salt leached out of it, and thus “lose its saltiness”. It is then useless for the purposes of salt just mentioned. It cannot sting, and it cannot purify. If people have salt in themselves, their words and actions might sometimes sting other, but they will also have a purifying effect. But we must be careful not to use our “salt” just to sting others, without really helping them to become better people. We must not do it just to see them suffer. Rather we should be at peace with one another.

Thanks, Paidion. The bit about the sacrifices WAS throwing me off. I usually read my bibles in E-sword and the foot notes aren’t there, so . . . . and I was wondering why He said that about salt losing its saltiness. It wouldn’t be salt at all if that were to happen. I wonder if salt reacts with some other chemical that would cause it to change in that way. (I know, I’m way over thinking it – I can’t help it, really!) :confused: Rain leaching the NaCl out of the mine makes sense and is simple. So, how would we lose our saltiness? Maybe if we become diluted in ourselves by the mores of the world around us? Or if we allow our consciences to be seared so we don’t recognize sin?

My dad stepped on a sawfish bone once on a sandbar in the Gulf of Mexico (I grew up in FL). He did a flip, landed sitting with his foot in his hand and jerked the wicked thing right out. I thought it must have hurt me more to watch because he didn’t act at all like he’d just jerked 3/4" of jagged saw-toothed bone out of his foot. The teeth were going the wrong way, too. After that he would only walk in the salt water and it never even got swollen or red. I was pretty impressed with the salt’s qualities even though I was maybe 12 at the time.

I was wondering whether the “have salt within yourselves” might also suggest that we recognize and repent from our own sins – that we have, I don’t know, a salty conscience that stings us, maybe? But your interpretation that our salty presence (and words) could offend others, so we need to make sure we do our best to be at peace with one another even if we may feel we must speak for the love of a brother or sister.

Thanks so much for your help, Bro! I really appreciate it. :slight_smile:

Salted with Fire, what does it mean?

First salted has nothing to do with ‘salt’ in of itself, but is a figure of speech meaning to be preserved.

We will all be preserved with Fire.

Isaiah 6:6-7
Then flew one of the seraphim [heavenly beings] to me, having a live coal in his hand which he had taken with tongs from off the altar; And with it he touched my mouth and said, Behold, this has touched your lips; your iniquity and guilt are taken away, and your sin is completely atoned for and forgiven.

Let us look at what forgives us completely and gives us atonement?

Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which ratifies the agreement and] is being poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Ephesians 1:7
In Him we have redemption (deliverance and salvation) through His blood, the remission (forgiveness) of our offenses [shortcomings and trespasses).

It is things like this that should change everyone’s idea about what “FIRE” is.

[b]Colossians 1:14
In Whom we have our redemption through His blood, [which means] the forgiveness of our sins.

The fire is the blood of Christ.

Jesus said, “We all shall be preserved by the blood.”

Next, every sacrifice will be salted with salt.

Where as salted meant preserved when talking about fire, the salted when concerning salt has nothing to do with ‘salt’ in of itself but means to be seasoned. The salt of course, just like fire, is a metaphor for something and Jesus talks about the salt later on talking about being seasoned, in otherwords, pleasant, peaceful, kind sacrifice.

The salt they had in palestine came from the dead sea, people came from all over to get it for many healing properties, along with preserving food. Its not just NaCl, it has lots of other minerals in it (which btw sea salt is way better for you than table salt), it could actually lose its flavor and effectiveness over time. In fact you can still get Dead Sea Salt skin care products. I think (but I’m not sure) that there is a good bit of sulfur in the salt also, which as we all know is purifying. Many people place Sodom and Gomorrah by or under the dead sea, and they had fire and brimstone (sulfur) rain down on them.

The fires of Gehenna has nothing to do with being salted by fire. The fires of Gehenna was a judgement against Israel that gave salvation to the whole world. Gehenna is a judgement against Israel for their continually killing of their children in exchange for their financial gain (Molech and Baal) and because of this, God turned His Blessings towards a people who are not His people, who now call Him by Name.

The context seems to indicate that it has everything to do with it.

And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell (Gehenna),‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire.

As I said, salted has nothing to do with Gehenna. Context is NOT about salt or fire, it is about SALVATION.

  1. Gehenna is the judgment against Israel that gave Salvation to the World. That Judgement was consummated later, in Christ Jesus because Israel was cut off and Gentiles were grafted in. They were the eye and hand that was cut off!

  2. We all (the entire world) will be salted by Fire, not Gehenna (that is only where the eyes and hands [Israel]) went), but because of them we Gentiles have a means preserved, and the whole world will be salted with fire, that fire is the blood of Christ.

  3. All sacrifice must be salted with salt, not fire, not Gehenna, but it means to be seasoned, a pleasing sacrifice speaking of Jesus.

Isn’t it referring to the Lake of Fire? Everyone will be salted with fire. Everyone will be purified in the Lake of Fire…

I know ECT think it just means everyone will go thru tribulations…but i don’t quite see it that way…not fully…

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So many people, including those in UR, continue to believe that it was reserved for sinners who, according to ECT, are burned forever, and according to UR, are purified through a process called ‘the lake of fire’.

I used to believe all of that once upon a time.

The progression has now placed me in the understanding that the Gehenna was a judgment speaking of the Hebrew people alone, just as Jesus said, and just like Paul realized, they were cut off (thrown into the Lake of Fire) in order that the Gentiles would be grafted in. The judgment commenced in 33 AD and proved by the several signs, everything from the Temple Curtain torn from top to bottom, and the Temple’s destruction 36 years later and many other signs which already came to pass.

The Lake of Fire refers to the Valley of Ben Hinnom which is outside the walls of Jerusalem, also known as Gehenna. Understanding where Gehenna is, what it was, and why it came to be (such information is easily found in the Old Testament and New Testaments) will tell us what it symbolized in Revelation. It is a metaphor which symbolizes the event which brought a people who were not a people to be now called Sons of God (you and I).

The issue I see before many, is that Christianity still distorts the facts.

Still a bit confused. So the “Everyone will be salted with fire” doesn’t include everyone nowadays?

Everyone is salted with fire. It is the Blood of Christ.

Gehenna (the lake of fire) was and is a judgment that separated Israel from God, so that the Gentiles would be now called, “Sons of God.” That fire is not the fire everyone is salted with.

Reviving this thread…

AUniversalist wrote:

I could not agree more! I think that the scribal gloss, “and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt” DOES elucidate this text. But what I want to suggest to you is that “salted with fire” no less refers to purification by divine fire. The lake of fire, I want to suggest, is the very death of Christ!