The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Satan's Fate

Does Satan know that he will be burned forever if you believe he is an angel and not an emotion (our bad personality)?

hmm? :laughing:

i’ve often wondered that…and if he is an ontological being…surely he has read the Bible too…
why does he think he has a chance? you’d think he’d be self-serving enough to know a lost cause when he sees one?

well, this is a risky question for most of us, I believe he has a job, and he is a deceiver, in a duty of deceiving :laughing:

I believe God took the responsibility of his wickedness too!

and I believe he knows Hell is not eternal referring to Matthew 5:26, but he deceived the world by this doctrine, he knows the truth but
he is the Father of Lies and he is in the process of fulfilling God’s will :mrgreen:

to think in this way, I believe people need to reach the higher levels of Spiritual Dimension :bulb:

Just thinking… I’ve come to really question whether or not there is a real ā€œSatanā€, and whether or not Satan is the personification of evil. Also, scripture has relatively little on Satan. I believe that there are ā€œdemonsā€, angelic beings that are in rebellion to God who need to be reconciled to God. They are currently held in ā€œTartarusā€ until judgment. If these are the demons that oppress people today, then our ā€œpresent evil ageā€ (Gal. 1:4) equates the demons’ ā€œTartarusā€. It is possible though that Satan is the leader of the angels that are in rebellion. I do believe though that everything in heaven, earth, and under the earth will be reconciled to God. I also think that we’re in this present evil age as a means of showing to all of creation that God is good, merciful, loving, and just, that love is the strongest power.

As I have said before, ā€œThere’s no deception like self-deception.ā€

I have no idea what satan knows or doesn’t know, or better believes, doesn’t believe etc.

I, however, have hope that he will be reconciled along with the rest of creation.

Along similar lines, I was recently asked by a friend if I believed we should love Satan. Any thoughts on that?

Sonia

Good question.

Satan would be a non-human creature.

Alligators, cockroaches and termites are non-human creatures as well. Should we love cockroaches?

Well in Quaker terms this is just ā€˜notional’ :laughing: The Satan is something we experience in our everyday lives. For example - can you imagine the one who tempts to despair being redeemed by hope made real in love ? Or is hope just a frustration of despair?

We english-speaking peoples have one word ā€˜love’ - as most of us know, the Greeks had 13 words that helped shade, and nuance, and make more subtle the differences in the various aspects of love. That would make a good thread sometime, as we might then be able to answer some questions that don’t sound right using the one word we have.

We’re supposed to love our enemies – is there any reason that would not apply to the Adversary?

Sonia

The enemies we are supposed to love are human. I think the context of Matthew 5:44 makes it clear that Jesus was speaking of humans in the command to love your enemies.

If loving my enemies and loving my neighbor as myself is to apply to non-human creatures, then I would have to logically conclude that I should refrain from eating meat as well, since I could not love a cow as myself and eat it.

Some universalists believe Jesus Died even for the Sins of the Adversary!

in this case Sonia is right.

it seems some of you are in the hope of UR :laughing: , I believe if God’s word in the scripture about hell was not eternal, world
would be in chaos!

he knows if we come to know that hell is not eternal, we won’t obey him :bulb:

hell is eternal (metaphor) but the punishment is not eternal,
it has an ending but the ending for each person is different, each one in his own order will enter the Kingdom,
hell in the scriptures is not temporary because not all the people in one day will enter the Kingdom,
first people who sinned few, then prostitutes and …, at the End the hypocrites will be the last one (Jesus words),
just like Muslims believe hell has 7 levels, and the hypocrites will be in the last level,

Jesus’ words are the obvious one like Matthew 5:26, wicked will pay the account of the last sin then they can enter the Kingdom. (Just)
there is no need for eternal punishment!

the bigger question is Does the Father loves the Adversary? :laughing:

as Jesus words indicate that if we forgive our enemies, we will be like our Father in Heaven!

Do you wish the best for, would you die for, would you ask god to bless, would you share table fellowship with, would you try to please the Adversary?
What sense of love would we possibly have?

loving enemies does not mean we should obey them, these two are different things :exclamation:

That’s true! I didn’t use that word, though.
in any case, it’s not a thread I really have anything to contribute to. Carry on. :wink:

If Babylon represents evil economic systems, and the Beast represents evil political systems, why can’t Satan represent the sum total of human, personal evil?

When you sin, says St James, don’t blame God. Blame your own wayward desires. (ie. He doesn’t say, Blame the Devil.)

My belief:

All creatures possessed of consciousness will be redeemed from suffering and death for God loves them all. Dogs and angels, humans and extra-terrestrials alike will come to fall in love with God through the example of Christ. All things that have value and beauty, works of art and literature, languages and music, science and architecture, will be ā€˜kept’ safe for the eternal order.

God is good. Nothing is impossible for God.