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Should Christians celebrate Christmas?

Christians celebrate Christmas? Is Christmas a pagan holiday? Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I am.” The Apostle Paul was surrounded by pagan idols on Mars’ Hill, yet he still found the heart of God in the midst of it all.

This video isn’t intended to dictate for you to celebrate or not celebrate. It is just passing information as I see it. The choice is up to you.youtube.com/watch?v=K9VpWEVbwoc&feature=g-crec-u

Great message, Steve. :smiley: Thanks for sharing it – you have some good insights here that hadn’t occurred to me and I appreciate hearing them.

Thanks Steve.
I couldn’t agree more with the speaker.

‘‘mankind shall live forever more because of christmas day’’

whats not to celebrate about that !!! :smiley:

Christmas is a pagan festival? Yes indeed, but Jesus said we will drink poison and live.

I’ve never taken a look at those type’s of theories Allan they always smacked of ‘‘its a conspiracy’’ type approach !, not that they wouldn’t have some validity to them but for me Christmas is a celebration of the Birth of Jesus. :sunglasses:

If Michaelmass (Sept 29, one of the oldest Christian festivals and positioned as the Feast of Tabernacles during one of the years in range of Jesus’ birth) was Jesus’ birthday – and I’ve been celebrating it as such for years, based on various evidences, most of them scriptural – then counting back 40 weeks of nominal gestation puts His conception at Dec 25.

So it’s still worthy. :slight_smile: Besides, we’re all baptized pagans in one or another sense, so I have no problem with holidays being baptized and put to better use, too. :smiley:

Incidentally, I recently learned that Elhannan Winchester, the evangelical Baptist universalist preacher and author during the early decades of the United States, whom we all should know about here on the forum, also thought Jesus was born at the beginning or the end of that year’s Feast of Tabernacles. (I forget whether he thought Jesus was born at the end or the beginning; I go with the start.) But, perhaps from being virulently anti-Catholic, he had another autumn date in mind than Sept 29.

Should Christians celebrate Christmas? Hmm, let’s see, Christ-mas, the “Mass of Christ”, otherwise known as the Lord’s Supper, the Eucharist, Communion. I think we should celbrate that every day! “Do this in remembrance of Me!” I don’t think the Lord would be offended if we specifically remembered His birth during a certain season of the year, even if it wasn’t actully the day of the year He was born. I also believe He is not offended by us christianizing symbols or practices that were used in unchristian celebrations like the Christmas tree or mistletoe.

Should Christians celebrate Christmas? - Everyday!

Thanks Cindy :slight_smile:

God sure has His way or working things out. :smiley: And he’s not a thin skinned as some think.

Thanks Pilgrim. And I like the quote you have on “the unexamined life”

what can I say :smiley:

I look at it this way Jason ! even if Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th does that really make a difference ? besides and I do think this is the best way of viewing it, that it’s Jesus’s birthday and the kids get the presents ! how typically and unselfishly does that smell of Jesus all over :smiley:

MERRY

CHISTMAS

EVERYONE :sunglasses:

Right back at you.

:smiley: and Happy New Year. :smiley:

Not banking on the end of the world to come any time soon

During the rule of Parliament in England during the 1640s (where there was a Calvinist majority) there were attempts to outlaw the celebration of Christmas. Here is a protest song against this attempt written at the time:

Listen to me and you shall hear, news hath not been this thousand year:
Since Herod, Caesar, and many more, you never heard the like before.
Holy-days are despised, new fashions are devised.
Old Christmas is kicked out of Town
Yet let’s be content, and the times lament, you see the world turned upside down.

The wise men did rejoice to see our Savior Christ’s Nativity:
The Angels did good tidings bring; the Shepherds did rejoice and sing.
Let all honest men, take example by them.
Why should we from good Laws be bound?
Yet let’s be content, and the times lament, you see the world turned upside down.

Command is given, we must obey, and quite forget old Christmas day:
Kill a thousand men, or a Town regain, we will give thanks and praise amain.
The wine pot shall clink, we will feast and drink.
And then strange motions will abound.
Yet let’s be content, and the times lament, you see the world turned upside down.

Our Lords and Knights, and Gentry too, do mean old fashions to forgo:
They set a porter at the gate, that none must enter in thereat.
They count it a sin, when poor people come in.
Hospitality itself is drowned.
Yet let’s be content, and the times lament, you see the world turned upside down.

The serving men do sit and whine, and think it long ere dinner time:
The Butler’s still out of the way, or else my Lady keeps the key,
The poor old cook, in the larder doth look,
Where is no goodness to be found,
Yet let’s be content, and the times lament, you see the world turned upside down.

To conclude, I’ll tell you news that’s right, Christmas was killed at Naseby fight:
Charity was slain at that same time, and Jack Tell too, a friend of mine,
Likewise then did die, roast beef and shred pie,
Pig, Goose and Capon no quarter found.
Yet let’s be content, and the times lament, you see the world turned upside down

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nail it to the church door I say with solar powered flashing multi-coloured lights to boot :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

this remind me of a post a I’ve been athinking about ! and that is - faith :sunglasses:

Hi Stuart a very happy CHristmas to you friend - and rest you merry :slight_smile:

And speaking of Christmas, here’s an interesting snip from a Christmas sermon by St Leo the Great (Pope from 440 to 461AD)

“Let no man be cut off from a share in this rejoicing. The cause of our joy is common to every man, because our Lord, the destoryer of sin and death, Who finds none guiltless, comes to free all.”